"Smart" Guns, Dumb People
Jan 13, 201605:07PM
I will try once again to explain to the ignorant why this will NEVER, EVER work, no matter how much you want it to.
It will do nothing about 350 million firearms already in existence.
Lawsuits will kill it. The first time an authorized shooter, cop or citizen, pulls the trigger, nothing happens, and the bad guy's gun works, they or their family will sue. I need it to FAIL TO THE UNLOCK STATE.
The first time an unauthorized shooter is able to access it, the victims will sue. The mfr needs it to FAIL TO THE LOCK STATE. It cannot do both.
Any disclaimer that the mfr is not responsible for failure of the lock means no one will buy.
There's no guarantee said gun will fit the ergonomics and tastes of existing shooters. People who don't shoot seem to think all guns are the same. Every brand, model, and even individual guns are different. I don't care how safe it is, if it feels like, say a Beretta 92, I will never buy one. Others don't like Glocks.
Guns are increasingly mechanically very simple. It needs repeated to you, no matter what the electronic component is, there will be a simple way to bypass it. If not bypassed, it can be jailbroken.
Your spouse/partner/buddy/trained kids/companion needs to be able to use it if you're down or not available.
Now, does this thing use batteries? Do I need to comment on that?
Technology is irrelevant. The idea is crap.
So then I got commentary below an article about this.
"Well, that's just your OPINION! Those aren't facts."
Actually, yes, what I stated were facts. You could possibly come to a different conclusion, but I'd question your logical chain in doing so.
"The military manages to make missiles work on the battlefield will all kinds of electronics." They do. A missile works ONCE. And to do so, requires a large team of technicians performing regular maintenance, and spends a percentage of its time not ready for deployment. They cost thousands to millions of dollars. Most of them are transported in secure, padded, isolated, electrically grounded containers against damage while in transit.
"My car has ABS and airbags! And they work!" How well does your ABS work after 1000 impacts? Or even 1000 panic stops? How many cars does your local dealer have in the shop for ABS failure? Airbags are DESIGNED to fail. That's what they do. Yet the last time I was hit, my airbag failed to deploy.
"Ever hear of a grandfather clause?"
12 of the revolvers in this image were made in the 19th century and still shoot. My daughter's favorite is a century old this year.
Even if you sell a million smart guns (you won't), that's .35% of those in existence. Actual effect on guns used in contact crime cannot exceed .0175% (because a lot of gun crime is non-violent (license violations, carrying where not allowed, etc), and criminals will simply use other guns. You will spend billions, and have zero effect for generations.
If by "grandfather clause" you mean those valuable antiques will become contraband at some point, it's a shame about that 5th Amendment, isn't it?
Stop trying to be smarter than me about a subject you know nothing about.
Simple question: Once you've installed this mythical "smart" circuitry in the gun, let's say, a common Glock, where will it interface? What component will your smart circuit block to prevent the weapon from firing?
When you can answer that question, I'll then tell you why that won't last three minutes against someone with hand tools.
Until you can answer even that, stop pretending you have any knowledge of the subject whatsoever.
EDIT: It's still going. Some idiot invoked airbags again. IIRC, there are 34 million of them awaiting recall.
One of my cars is on recall for an ignition switch that suddenly go from run to accessory. That's like a "smart" gun where pulling the trigger ejects the magazine.
BATFE and "Engaged in the Business" of Selling Firearms
Jan 05, 201601:12AM
ATF has guidelines for what constitutes "Engaging in the business" of selling firearms, though has no concrete definitions on how many guns one may sell. The new "advisory" they just published as part of President 0's new "gun control" push simply reiterates exactly what they already say.
Official link is here: https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download
Here is a layman's summary of the matter:
To buy new guns at wholesale, one must have an FFL--Federal Firearm's License, which come in several flavors for selling, smithing, manufacturing, ammunition, explosives, and with addenda for import or restricted National Firearms Act weapons--silencers, machine guns, short barrels, destructive devices and certain oddities.
If one plans to "Engage in the business" of selling firearms, new or used, an FFL is required.
A PRIVATE CITIZEN not "engaged in business" may buy and sell guns for purposes of collecting or using. If you get tired of your old XDm and want a Glock, you can sell your XDm to anyone who is not a prohibited person (felon, domestic abuser, drug or alcohol abuser, and not under 18, etc). If you decide you want to sell off your old revolvers and upgrade to newer pistols, you can do so. If you decide you're 80, have done all the shooting you're going to, you can unload your collection without a license.
If you sell online, you can either meet a resident of your own state face to face and see ID, or, you can send it to an FFL who will log it in, transfer it to them, and conduct the background check, for a small fee. If they are not a resident of your state, you MUST follow this method. If it is a longarm, they may, as long as their state allows, receive it from an FFL in your state. If it is a handgun, it MUST be shipped to an FFL in their state. You can't even hand it to said FFL in your state at a gun show for him to take back to his state. He must receive it via common carrier. Don't ask why this is the law. It just is. THERE IS NO "LOOPHOLE" FOR SELLING GUNS ON THE INTERNET. FEDERAL LAW APPLIES. Enforcing it is another issue, but the law is the law.
Every major online firearm site is even set up to tag "FFL Required?" with YES for firearms and NO for accessories. They patrol their listings regularly, and very few people will risk selling a gun without it going to an FFL in case of a sting. Trust me on this, there are sellers who won't even sell to collectors, or demand an FFL for non-firearm items out of paranoid fear. I'm sure there's a seller on Arms America somewhere who'll agree that for an unmarked MO or Western Union, he'll ship to your apartment. Good luck finding him. And if you do: He's willing to violate the law to do this. You're willing to violate the law to do this. He probably has a PMB box somewhere under a false name, and may just keep your money and not ship the gun. It's not as if you can complain to the cops that he wouldn't ship your gun illegally. FFLs actually offer protection to the buyer as well as the seller, to ensure both parties are legit. If it wasn't necessary, few sellers would bother, though depending on the value of the gun, they might. But, since it's the law, there are benefits with the hindrances, and you make use of them.
Yes, some such deals go through, and always did, and always will, and no law is going to stop them. There are too many USPS, UPS, FedEx and DHL packages to ever search even 1% of them, and there's no guarantee the shipper's name and address is real. Online funds and barter work as well as Western Union and gas station money orders always did. Just because we've had these laws for almost 50 years doesn't mean people comply with them, just as they don't comply with bans on selling pot or coke.
Exempt from the "only through a dealer" or "only via common carrier for handgun" are certain collectibles known as Curios and Relics, which ATF keeps a list of, or, are 50 years old an IN THEIR ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION (not with a different stock, shorter barrel, etc). Any mods reset the 50 year clock for purpose of being a C&R only. There is an FFL, the Type 03, for C&R collectors. If you don't have a C&R FFL and receive one, you can do as you wish within the law. If you have a C&R FFL, you can receive such items directly by mail or carrier to your home of record, and must keep a log. If you have logged the weapon as a C&R you MAY NOT modify it with aftermarket stocks, etc, that change its format.
A C&R weapon may go to any FFL anywhere at any time. So, the seller WOULD be able to transfer it to an out of state buyer who was in state, who had a C&R FFL, without having it shipped to a receiving FFL.
Clear? I hope so.
Now, a C&R holder is a collector, and may, for example, buy a crate of 20 Mosin Nagants, Russian surplus, look through the crate, keep 5 with arsenal marks they need for their collection, and sell the other 15. That the 15 sell individually for more than the buyer paid is not of itself "engaging in business." Their purpose is to build a collection, and their documentation will show it. Most such collectors will then plow the sale money back into more guns for the collection.
An important but not widely known exception to all of this are weapons made before 1899, or using black powder, or not using fixed cartridges (such as pinfire). When the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed, those were exempted due to their age and function. A firearm is legally defined as firing a fixed cartridge, and manufactured on or after Jan 1, 1899. There is a regular trade in antiques among both collectors, and shooters who prefer anonymity. Pre-99 and non-fixed guns may be modified within the limits of the National Firearms Act (you may not cut them short, silence them, or convert them to full auto), because they are not firearms under the GCA. They can be shipped without transfer papers. It is important to note this is a federal law only, and most states still make felons ineligible to own them, and some states require dealer transfer on all items that shoot. THIS LAW APPLIES OUTSIDE AND INSIDE A GUN SHOW. There is no "loophole."
It is probable that the value of paperwork exempt antiques just increased with the greater scrutiny that will be placed on private sellers, since ATF officially may not, and does not want to, take notice of them.
So let us consider several sellers at a gun show.
First is a dealer with an FFL from that state. He can buy and sell, and transfer to anyone in state, and to long gun buyers from out of state (as long as their state permits). THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IS REQUIRED OUTSIDE THE SHOW AT HIS PLACE OF BUSINESS. There is no "gun show loophole."
Next is a dealer from out of state, who may exhibit (usually high end collectibles) and arrange to sell and transfer via common carrier, through a dealer in that state. Again, he can't just hand the guns over to that dealer. They must be shipped. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IS REQUIRED OUTSIDE THE SHOW AT HIS PLACE OF BUSINESS. There is no "gun show loophole."
A C&R holder may buy, and sell to anyone in state with ID, or anyone from out of state with any kind of FFL--dealer or collector. However, this collector must be able to document his intent to collect. Let's say he has 15 Mosins on the table, as mentioned above, and has a sign, "Looking for Finnish Mosins and parts," or "Want to Buy SMLEs, Mausers and related militaria." Or let's say he doesn't have the sign, but an educated observer can look at him and say, "This guy's a C&R looking for deals and selling off the old stuff." THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IS REQUIRED OUTSIDE THE SHOW. There is no "gun show loophole."
A collector, without a C&R, can do what the C&R holder above can, but may not buy anything from out of state without having an FFL DEALER transfer it to him. A C&R holder may buy and sell, but MAY NOT transfer, because he can't access the National Instant criminal background Check System. The collector may have a couple of old Colt Special Police revolvers, an old NYPD Glock, a couple of 1960s shotguns and a Mauser. He also is buying and selling, but he's obviously looking for specific things. Someone walks by with a 1970s Colt Gold Cup, he might buy it. If they have a .25 Jennings for $30, he ignores it, because it's junk and he's not interested. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS OUTSIDE THE SHOW. There is no "gun show loophole."
A private owner walking around, who's looking to unload some old guns for new guns. He has a half dozen older revolvers, and a sign, "Want to Buy Glock 23 or XD .40 cal." Again, he can only sell to in-state residents, or ship to their FFL out of state. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IS REQUIRED OUTSIDE THE SHOW. There is no "gun show loophole."
A retired guy who's got a table with a metric crap ton of Mausers, Mosins, 2nd Model Smith & Wesson revolvers, Winchester shotguns...and is selling them because he's retired and needs money. He's not buying replacements. He's just unloading. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WOULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE THE SHOW. There is no "gun show loophole."
A dealer in antiques and black powder firearms, who has only historical firearms made before 1899, or black powder originals or reproductions. He does not need an FFL and never did, because under the law, what he is selling are not firearms. THIS IS NOT A LOOPHOLE, THIS IS FEDERAL LAW.
Now we come to the joker. He has a table with a dozen mixed guns on it. He sells some. He buys others. He sees the $30 Jennings and buys it, sticks a $40 tag on it, and puts it back on the table. THIS guy is "engaging in business" without a license. He's not selling many, and likely not actually making a profit after table fees and gas, but his intent is to sell guns for more than he paid for them. That's the "unlicensed dealer."
Or is he?
He might also have a collection, and be using the funds from that sale to build his collection. So what's the call?
And the call is, "I would know if I looked at his table, and so would an ATF agent." Much like porn is, "I know it when I see it." If he has a business card, it shows intent. A sign reading, "Always buying and selling guns" MIGHT show intent. THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IS THE LAW OUTSIDE THE SHOW. There is no "gun show loophole."
There isn't a clear way to define a volume for "engaging in business," especially since firearm law is part of the Tax Code, and any change to it will be exploited into other items of trade for purposes of collecting or avoiding tax.
As part of the Prez's latest push, ATF has reiterated their existing rules, and it's possible they'll follow up with more agents at gun shows (And there are pretty much ALWAYS ATF agents at gun shows. Most people in ATF like guns and buy for themselves as well) (Our local show has agents on hand to answer dealer inquiries). Those agents will have to make those calls based on available evidence.
And the unlicensed dealers?
The agents will know them when they see them. Just as we all do.
But as before, exceedingly few criminals walk into a building full of cops, feds, veterans, licensed dealers and hired security looking to buy a Hi Point Fotay to do a drive by with. There are much easier ways to get a gun.
So, literally nothing has changed.
The emperor has no clothes.
EDIT: oh, to note--you can sell as many guns as you want, transferred through a dealer, at any profit margin you can get, and it's not "business," because you've involved the dealer...even if he makes $10 on every transfer, and you make a half million selling off a huge estate.
Edited on 6 Jan with clarifications on antiques and minor style changes.
Gun Control For The Compleat Idiot And President 0
Jan 04, 201609:27PM
- All sellers must be licensed and conduct background checks, overturning current exemptions to some online and gun show sellers
This is already federal law. That he's unaware of reality, and keeps bleating about the mythical "gun show loophole" speaks volumes. The NICS process is set up for dealers. Allowing private citizens to access it is a huge risk to personal data. I predict failure to implement, nevermind judicial review.
- States must provide information on people disqualified due to mental illness or domestic violence
This requires Congressional funding, or is a dictate from Executive to the States, and they can, and should, tell him to go screw.
- FBI will increase workforce processing background checks by 50%, hiring more than 230 new examiners
Thank god. Those 20 minute waits for review during busy hours get irritating.
- Congress will be asked to invest $500m (£339m) to improve access to mental healthcare
That might ACTUALLY help...if they actually set up mental health clinics, and don't stigmatize anyone asking for help and threaten to revoke their rights for doing so.
- The departments of defence, justice and homeland security will explore "smart gun technology" to improve gun safety
All three have already said, "Fuck, no," and there are so many reasons why a "smart" gun is complete fantasy bullshit there's no reason to write another book about it here.
Can our next president not be a complete shithead? Please?
How Specific Is Correct?
Dec 28, 201512:38AM
This came about over several PSAs that note fully automatic weapons are "effectively illegal" for Americans to own or "virtually banned" or similar phrasing, which was then challenged by pedants who wanted to argue for "highly restricted" or "complicated" to acquire.
Folks, no sound bite or PSA can ever be 100% accurate.
For example, the Earth is not a perfect sphere. There's both an oblation due to centrifugal force, and two other bulges that interrupt even that shape, to a ratio of .00005.
And of course, centrifugal force doesn't actually exist.
And no one cares. The Earth is a sphere, near enough not to matter to anyone.
As far as the fact that full auto are not totally illegal to everyone in every state:
I could cite NFA 34, GCA 68, NDA 1916, FOPA 86, define every term from pre-May to post-May to SOT, list the relevant state statutes, describe Form 1 and Form 4, explain the history behind the .00033% of firearms in this country it relates to, by which time I'd have written a fucking book, which would be outdated and in need of a second edition before it hit Kindle, and cause everyone's eyes to glaze over, and as you can see, even in THIS thread, people who want to know are confused and underinformed of the details. Then, as noted, I could mention the increasing price, which is a hindrance to probably 95% of the population off the bat.
Statistically, no one cares about details that fine. They don't fit in an infomercial, and full auto are effectively illegal for 99.99986% of the population.
They Complain About 1.1 Guns Per Person? That's Not Nearly Enough
Dec 27, 201501:13AM
Some figure came out of somewhere recently (eminently believable, but I don't know the source) that the US has passed 1.1 guns per capita. This is cause for rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth among a certain segment, which is fantastic.
The correct minimum number of guns for the US is 1.25 billion.
Let us assume 250 million adults.
EVERY adult should have a shotgun. They are cheap, reliable, the ammo is inexpensive, and with several different loads on hand it is versatile, able to hunt anything from quail and squirrel to deer and elk. With the right loads, they stop home invaders dead in a puddle of goo. There are custom mods you can make so it can take any of the Big Five game in Africa. https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197214
Next, one should acquire a sidearm of choice, for portability, use in close quarters, and personal defense. Along with this, you need a similar framed .22 for less expensive practice (and hopefully again soon, cheap practice, when idiots and greedy assholes stop hoarding).
A lot of urbanites likely don't need a rifle--the shotun will cover what they need. Still, it's worth having one just in case. And, to go with your primarly rifle, you need another .22 for additional practice.
That's five, per adult.
There should be two bricks of .22, about 200 shotgun shells, and at least a crate (500-1000 rounds) for the sidearm and rifle.
Given that shooting should be taught as early as a child can understand the basic safety rules (typically between 4 and 8 ), then there's room for more, and of course, different types of shooting require different types of weapons.
350 million is a start, but only a start. Americans should possess at least 1.25 billion firearms, likely closer to 2 billion, and at least 1200 rounds of ammo on hand in between range trips.
Only a coward with a small penis would argue for less.
Sounds Like They Live In Perfect Places
Dec 16, 201501:35PM
But I do wonder if we can find a comparative on immigrants from Poland to the US, vs emigrants from the US to Poland?
The Slippery Slope of Definitions
Dec 15, 201512:21AM
The gun haters are hysterical, and will make up any ridiculous claim possible. You probably recall Sarah Brady claiming "assault weapons" were designed to be "rapidly and accurately spray fired from the hip," which is like claiming a beer can is designed to be "rapidly and accurately consumed by shaking and popping." For some reason, the Army still insisted on sights on M16s, and taught me how to use them, rather than this amazing accurate spray fire from the hip technique.
But onto the present day. Someone has got their anti-intellectual moral corruption and cowardice into Amazon.
This is the note I received on an item I sell:
Hello from Amazon.
We are writing to let you know that the following detail pages have been removed from our catalog:
ASIN: B007FH65PA, SKU: 5F-B4TA-FPQS, Title: "factory original steyr m95 5 shot stripper clip"
This product has been identified as a speed loader designated for use on an assault weapon. Amazon policy prohibits the listing or sale of assault weapon parts and accessories. For more information, see the Seller Help Page related to weapons http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/
For more information on our policies, search on "Restricted Products" and "Listing Restrictions" in Seller Help.
**Action Required: Within 48 hours of this notice, please review your remaining listings and make any changes necessary to ensure compliance with our policies.
Failure to comply with this request may result in the removal of your selling privileges.
We appreciate your cooperation and thank you for selling on Amazon.com.
Please note: this e-mail was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail.Please do not reply to this message.
Additional/other information from Seller:
Other proofs attached:Hello from a firearms expert.
This en bloc clip is for a Steyr M95 straight pull bolt action rifle. It precedes "Assault weapons" by about 60 years. It is of historical interest and collectible, and I find no records of anyone using one in any kind of crime in the last 60 years--since WWII.
While I realize most Amazon employees are not versed in such matters, accepting complaints from every pants-wetting gun hater on the planet is ill advised.
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
Their response, within the hour:
I was not satisfied with the support, and responded so, with expanded documentation.
There was no reply.
One can contact Amazon directly at the CEO's office, which should then trickle down to the appropriate department. I sent this:
Customer service refused to reply to me.
Per the below message from Amazon, there are several problems.
1: The Steyr M95 is a 120 year old, 5 shot, bolt action rifle. Some models are so old that ATF doesn't even consider them firearms. https://en.
2: While "assault weapon" is a political term that varies by jurisdiction, there are no jurisdictions in the world that would identify the Steyr M95 as an "assault weapon." In fact it was out of service before the first assault rifle entered service.
3: An en bloc clip is a MAGAZINE LOADER, specifically allowed per Amazon rules. It is also essential to the function of this weapon. The en bloc with five rounds goes into the internal magazine, and the weapon doesn't function properly without it.
4: An en bloc clip is not a "Speedloader," which is a revolver accessory.
5: "Assault weapons" don't take "speedloaders." They take "Detachable box magazines."
6: Whoever "identified" this is completely ignorant of how firearms function. If they are having input on other products, they are costing you lost sales. If it's some random complaint by a respondent online, I would hope Amazon is wiser than to trust "the internet."
I would appreciate a thoughtful response, rather than a repeated bleat that "this has been identified as a speedloader for an assault weapon," which I've had twice, and is akin to identifying a gas can as a shell loader for a tank.
I have still received no response.
I have just sent this query:
Per the description and the above link, this is a MAGAZINE LOADER, which is within Amazon's listing rules. It is also an essential functional part of this historical rifle. It cannot be properly operated without one.
The rifle predates so-called "assault weapons" by a half century.
"assault weapons" don't take "speed loaders." Revolvers take speed loaders, which, are in fact, also a magazine loader.
Your previous response was snide, ignorant and unhelpful, and then there was no further response. Please escalate to someone who is capable of grasping the above, capable of discussing the matter without resorting to copy/paste, and has decision making authority.
For information purposes, I would like to know how this decision was reached. Clearly, no one with any credentials in firearms was involved. So who made this decision, using what ludicrously flawed information? That response will be used for a professional article.
I award Amazon a rating of "full retard and full diaper."
It is essential that we stop this sort of rampant assininity, and it proves the point that the neurotic gun haters will never be satisifed. Bans on full auto are not enough, bans on self-loading sporting rifles don't sate them, bans on 1930s military collectibles are only a waystop. We've reached the point where a 19TH CENTURY RELIC is an "assault weapon."
DC has already ruled that a lead muzzle loader projectile, with neither rifle nor powder, is a felonious weapon.
We must fight the war with reason, rhetoric and the law now, or we will most certainly have to fight it later in the streets.
A Nice Retort to Consent And Tea
Dec 10, 201511:17PM
Bill Dunbar makes this observation:
Something bothered me about Brits comparing sexual consent to serving tea. I finally got it down in words...
HOW CONSENT AND TEA REALLY WORKS
Great Britain: Hey China, I want some tea.
China: Ummm...okay, I'll fix it for you-
Great Britain: No, I want to buy your tea and sell it myself.
China: I don't think so.
Great Britain: I'm selling your daughter opium and whoring her out until you see it my way.
China: Son of a Bitch! Get out of my house!
Great Britian: My army says dibs on the guest room.
China: How much silver is it going to take to make you gwai lo lay off?
Great Britain: A lot. And the tea.
China: Well...as long as I grow the tea.
Great Britain: Hey India. I snagged some tea from China. Can I grow it in your yard?
India: I don't really use the stuff much, but I guess so...
Great Britain: I'm going to need your bedroom. And your daughter.
India: Son of a Bitch!
Great Britain: God, how I love tea and imperialism!
Great Britain: You colonies, you all love the mother country, yes? You love tea, yes? Well, since you can only trade with your mother, Mother has decided you will pay for the new curtains here at home. Mother is taxing your tea.
The Thirteen Colonies: What curtains? Shouldn't we get a say if you want us to help pay for things? We're family, for chrissakes, not some drunk you roll in an alley.
Great Britain: Lie still and think of England.
The Thirteen Colonies: No more tea. Buy your own damn curtains, Ma.
Great Britain: No tea?!? That's...unBritish!
The Thirteen Colonies: Bingo!
British and Hessian troops: Ma says you owe her some dough. Pay up before we have to get rough.
The Thirteen Colonies: Tell Ma this is my house. Coffee from now on. And I'm having French girls over, too.
This is the Best of All Possible Worlds
Dec 06, 201501:10AM
First world problem: Too much food. Both deep freezes and the fridge/freezer are stuffed, and 90% of it is meat, as it should be.
Complication: Great deals on meat locally.
Scene: Local yuppie "organic" store, with wild caught sockeye salmon for $6.99/lb.
I say, "We'll take ten pounds."
Meat cutter says, "Ten pounds of salmon?" He stares at me as if I couldn't possibly have said that.
"Yes. And then some bacon."
The sign specified it was "pork bacon," which is redundant, since only pork can be bacon.
He asks, "Do you just want a 15 lb box of that, then?"
"Sure, that will work."
He seems game, and tags our salmon and hands over a box of bacon.
Back at the house, there's not enough room. So, TIME TO COOK!
We now have 6 quarts of Morrocan chicken tajine, 8 quarts of tomato beef soup, 3 meatloafs, two beef and squash lasagna (since the other person can't eat grains), two more meatloafs, a whole smoked salmon and some bacon.
You know what separates us from the animals? The ability to damage entire ecosystems for dinner.
That's why we're awesome.
Proof That Gun Control Supporters Are Literally Insane and Retarded
Nov 28, 201511:15PM
It turns out Australia has had ongoing, increasing violence since they banned most non-sporting arms. Aha! THE FAULT IS THE BULLETS'!
And in comments:
Garavella Yk Bah, humbug • 18 days ago
if you read that article, more than half are not shootings: explosives, arson, unnamed slayings, gangland wars and so on
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Oh, well that makes them perfectly okay, then. As long as no one was shot.
DID YOU SERIOUSLY FUCKING SAY THAT? Explosives and arson aren't as bad as shootings, and certainly no one cares about unnnamed slayings (Whatever those are), and of course, gangland slayings, as long as they don't involve guns are perfectly fine! That's how we're BETTER than the US!
What these people need is therapy, where they are put in a room with 57 loaded guns placed on every available surface, so they can get over their animistic fear of objects. Or else play with the guns and wind up dead. Either way, human intelligence wins.