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So here's the text of the petition, interspersed with my comments:

Our names are Amanda and Sophia. One day in science class, we came upon an article on plastic straws. The article stated that Americans use more than 500 million straws a day- and throw them away. That is equivalent to 125 school buses filled with plastic straws. We also learned that by 2050, there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish.

Well, Amanda and Sophia, one of the first things you should learn is that most of these so-called "articles" are bullshit. If it's on youtube, assume it's bullshit.  On a petition site, assume it's bullshit. Twitter: Bullshit. Any kind of pop-news site: bullshit. The latter are especially bad.  They only want ad dollars. In fact, the "article" you read was written by a 9 year old girl.  As far as studies done by 9 year old girls go, it's probably an A for effort, C for results. As far as an actual science article, F-. About like listening to a Kindergarten choir and thinking you heard music.  When people start believing 9 year old girls are experts on thermodepolymerization and marine biology, we as a society are fucked.

You probably saw that touching picture of a turtle with a straw in his nose, right?  And assumed that had to be pollution.  Well, you'd be wrong.

I also read a science article, and it gave a number of alternative reasons that turtle might have a straw up his nose:

The turtle may be a coke head, and used that straw to snort cocaine.

The turtle may be mentally retarded and attempted to snort the straw directly.

The turtle may be a domestic abuser and the straw was the only way his spouse had of defending herself, since liberals have already made it illegal for turtles to own firearms for self defense.

In all these cases, he should not pass his defective genes onto his species.

Being serious, however, it's one picture of one turtle (who probably is retarded, even by turtle standards) (which are even lower than the standards we use for people who believe "science" "Articles" written by 9 year old girls) (Though just barely).

Those numbers concern us. So when we joined the Earth Club at our school, the leader suggested using change.org, which is how we came upon this website. All 500 million of these plastic straws end up in a landfill or worse, the ocean. When plastic straws get into the ocean, the fish mistake it for food, eat it, and get sick or die. In fact, science shows that when you eat fish, you might as well be eating plastic!

In fact, science shows nothing of the kind, and your club leader is a fucking communist.  I recommend studying the aerodynamics of falling leftists for a far more productive science project.

We both think that Dunkin Donuts is a very tasty and an influential company. By choosing this business, we hope to make them take this issue very seriously. These shops have a lot of people coming in every day, almost all of them getting cold beverages containing plastic straws. However, those straws add up to landfill and get into the ocean. Dunkin' Donuts is a very successful company, so if they start banning straws, won’t others follow their lead?

Ah, I see you know as much about business as you do about science.  No, in fact there's a good chance that by jumping on some bullshit tree-hugging hippie-crap trend they'll lose a bunch of customers. Then, next week when you find some cool new "science" to follow, that says a boiled egg and pepper diet is the best way to lose weight, you'll be all over that, and demanding McDonald's sell boiled eggs with extra sized pepper packets.

In fact, here's an actual (pop, meaning dumbed down for normal people) science article about how eco-communists are in fact fucking the ecosystem with their bullshit:

https://newatlas.com/shade-balls-water-usage/55499/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-07-18%20142600%20USA%20Daily%20Basic%202018-07-18%20143340%20Could%20water-saving%20shade%20balls%20have%20a%20shady%20side&utm_content=2018-07-18%20142600%20USA%20Daily%20Basic%202018-07-18%20143340%20Could%20water-saving%20shade%20balls%20have%20a%20shady%20side+CID_9fc4b4906c100b3b934b24a32834bd2c&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor&utm_term=Read%20more It 

So please sign this petition and share it with your friends to help the environent, and the world we all live in. Remember, #StrawsSuck! Thank you!

No, I will not sign your bullshit petition. This will be one of your first lessons in the disappointment of life.

Seriously, it's great that you're concerned, but the first thing you need to learn is that documented facts, properly interpreted are science, and "Trends" on the internet are bullshit.

Please write that 1000 times and then get back to your homework.  Also, ask your parents to find a better school, that also knows this difference.

Oh, and I'm making sure Dunkin knows I like plastic straws and they shouldn't bow to stupidity.

Robert Mueller must be convicted of treason and executed.

Liberals may now close the window and scream about how insane I am, maintaining their belief in Trump's Russian birth certificate and the Easter Bunny.

Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for developing software, under orders from their leadership, in Russia.

Not for using it against us, which still wouldn't be a crime (since US law does not apply in Russia), though it might be an act of war.

For DEVELOPING it.

And in the process he's exposed them to the world. They effectively can never leave Russia without a diplomatic discussion and guarantee of their safety in any nation they might stop in.

Now, anyone capable of basic rational thought (apparently, not-liberals) realizes this is a precedent for Russia, and any other nation, to likewise file charges against any and all of our intelligence community.

Or, really, anyone at all who has done anything that is restricted.

My wife contracts to a defense contractor who produces products for aerospace. She has in fact had Russian sites taken down, sometimes simply by calling the host and saying, "Hey, this server XYZ is sending out a ton of malware, could you?  Thanks."

At this point, Russia could say, "That server was conducting operations for our Ministry of Defense, and you have interfered with it. We issue a warrant for your arrest."

Certainly it's bullshit.  In response to Mueller's bullshit.

Now, let's move to second order effects, which everything since the election has taught me are impossible for a liberal mind to comprehend.

What if, and I expect they will, the Russians send lawyers on behalf of said agents, as they did for the corporation Mueller charged with something or other, for a timeframe months before said corporation existed? (Yes, he's that much of a shithead, and always has been, and even noted right-winger (/sarc) Alan Dershowitz says so: 

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/14/record-proves-robert-mueller-clown-prince-federal-law-enforcement )

The lawyers will commence discovery, demanding all of Mueller's information regarding the case.

Which almost certainly includes intelligence information we don't want them to have. Otherwise, how did he find out about what Russians are doing in Russia in a secret context?

Third order effect (try to wrap your brain around this. I know it's hard) is that the Russians use THAT intel, and that admitted precedent (because just because you do something, doesn't mean you admit it, but once you do, the rules change) as an excuse to then actually hack our defense apparatus or, (GASP!) our elections?

And now we have him arresting a student for "failing to register as an agent of the Russian government," because AS A STUDENT she talked to the head of the NRA.

FUN FACT for liberals and other shitheads:  The NRA is not a political organization. It's a tax exempt non-profit educational organization. The NRA-ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) is the 501(c)4 political arm, donations to which are NOT tax deductible.

Do you want a Cold War? Because this is how you get a Cold War.

And aren't you the same fucking shitweasels who were screaming about Iraq, accusing Trump of risking a war with North Korea, a nation who is outgunned by several metropolitan police departments, now willing to risk a war with Russia, that, paraphrasing Trump "Also has a button and it's bigger and it works"?

It's small comfort to me that most of their bombs will vaporize urban liberals, which no rational human being regards as a loss, but there are fallout effects.

To reiterate:

1) We have Mueller going Full McCarthy. Of course, in the long run, McCarthy's fears were proven valid, even though his techniques were wrong. Mueller is simply full of shit.

B: We have Mueller pulling the same shit the Soviets did during the Cold War of arresting students and tourists as bargaining chips, accusing them of being spies for taking photos or meeting with people.

c] We have the entire Demorrhoid Party cheering this on, because who gives a shit if South Korea gets shelled, or Russia bombs another country, or who cares, because FUCK TRUMP! FUCK FUCKING FUCKITY FUCKING TRUMP! (Actual quote from the Shithead Wing of the Demorrhoid Party, which is apparently 143% of them at this point.) My god! Can you imagine how the universe will END if Trump is seen to do anything positive?

So:

Mueller has risked US intelligence assets.

He has compromised at least some of them just by naming these "suspects" who are suspected of doing their jobs, because obviously someone at THIS end IDed them, and just knowing THAT is useful intel to the Russians.

He has raised the risk of an actual shooting war with the only nation that could actually harm us in a shooting war.

He has interfered with the President's ability to negotiate peacefully and to our benefit (OUR.  Americans AND liberals both).

Had a single shot been fired or a declaration made, that would constitute treason, for which the penalty is death.

And since he's done so with blatantly partisan intent, I'm calling it "good enough."

Drag that sack of shit out back. Put a 9mm through the base of his fucking skull.  Toss the corpse into a trash burner, because we don't want to pollute American soil with it, and get on with the business of NOT STARTING WARS WITH RUSSIA. They'll believe we're serious, and we might actually make headway.

Of course, if you're cool with pissing off Russia, preventing any kind of discussion with them as long as Trump is president, and risking a war...

You liberal shitstains are responsible for this mess. And you are disgusting.

I Have A Better Idea...
May 09, 201811:59AM

Category: Politics

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/if-illinois-legalizes-marijuana-what-happens-to-pot-sniffing-dogs/article_6d67b6d3-cc27-5053-ba8c-eb641611c28b.html?utm_content=bufferfc6d6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC#tracking-source=home-top-story 

 
 
If Illinois legalizes marijuana for recreational use, law enforcement officials fear job losses for hundreds of officers — specifically, the four-legged kind. 
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I don't see the problem. Dogs like sunshine and balls.  They'll find things to do.
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opponents say they worry about cannabis acting as a gateway to other, harder drugs for some users, noting that federal law prohibits marijuana use and classifies it as a schedule 1 drug, the same category as heroin and LSD.
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Riiight.  Just like a plastic stock is a "machine gun." a muffler is a "firearm" and a show horse trailer is a "Commercial vehicle."  Here's your first problem: You're fucking retarded and think government definitions are real.
 
And of course, the sheriff's $22 million "foundation" won't suffer at all, right? It's not as if he's getting a salary and huge tax breaks for his efforts.
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Because many K-9s are trained not to be social so their work won’t be affected, Larner said a number of dogs would likely have to be euthanized.
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Wait, are we talking the dogs or the cops?  Because I'm totally cool with euthanizing narcs who can't socialize with normal people and don't have other useful skills that don't involve harassing and abusing people.
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Other law enforcement groups, including the Illinois Sheriffs' Association and the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police, also are opposed to legalization efforts. 
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Yes, all that lovely payoff money, and "Asset forfeiture" from stealing property and never filing charges. That's the headiest drug of all, isn't it? And you'll even threaten to kill dogs over it.


A large problem facing the SF community, and many others today, is the mere existence of Twitter and Fecesbook.  The problem specifically is that people believe these are real, and matter.

I have noticed since my first SF publication Freehold https://amzn.to/2Fz5XNi that conservatives who don't like something tend to just ignore it and go away, though they may argue at length on some matters.

Modern American liberals (As opposed to real liberals), however, don't stop there. It's not enough to argue.  Anyone who disagrees with their rightthink must be destroyed. It shows in the book reviews.  CONSERVATIVE: "This had a bit too much sex for my taste and I don't think it's a workable society long term."  LIBERAL: "This guy is a monster who wants to exterminate the homeless for his utopia!"

I'm argumentative online.  I have argued vociferously FOR same sex marriage, FOR gays being able to serve in the military, FOR legalization of pot, AGAINST pot as "medicine," AGAINST male genital butchery, FOR free speech and expression of faith, AGAINST any form of gun control, FOR reproductive choice.  I've explained, at length, how reproduction works, how sex and gender disorders work, how firearms work, in attempts to educate people.

I'll freely argue with anyone, though on occasion someone is either so stupid or obnoxious I unfriend or block them. This happens to conservatives as well as liberals, atheists as well as Christians.  I don't dislike people for their demographics. I dislike them for their stupidity.

Some conservatives will note that, "He's an asshole and I had to unfollow him."  Fair enough. Some liberals have said the same.

But, we come to the Modern American Liberals.  Those are a special case.

This first came to a head two years ago at a convention I regularly attended for about 20 years. Said convention shrunk year by year and completely failed last year, in a surprise to no one rational.

I received an IM on Fecesbook from one of the people peripherally involved in it and her on-and-off-husband who I was barely aware existed.  They "Had some concerns" and "wanted to reach out to me" to clarify things.

I hate "reaching out."  Say what you need to say.

Shortly it became clear it was concern trolling that I'd be offended by the "liberal" nature of the convention.

After all, I was "pretty conservative" (I am not in the slightest, and I'm constantly amazed at the binary POV of "liberals." Either you're liberal or you're conservative, and you have to be liberal ENOUGH in the right ways.)

The concerns were:

They were going to have a gender neutral bathroom, and that might offend me.

They were going to have a "safe space."

They didn't want me getting "political" at my table.

Some people might be wearing their "Solidarity pins."

In order:  I spent 25 years in the military, much of it in the field or on convoys. Bathrooms don't bother me.  At that moment, I'd just come back from Europe. Belgium public restrooms typically have male stalls on one side, across from urinals, sinks as a divider, and female stalls. So a man can be standing there taking a leak while a woman is washing her hands next to him.  In parts of the Netherlands, they have public urinals with a partial screen about 2' wide, in the middle of the plaza.

Bathrooms don't bother me.

As far as a safe space, if someone has a safe space, that's up to them.  I generally find the notion silly when there are cars, hotel rooms, bathrooms, bars, etc, but if the convention has designated such a space there's likely no reason for me to bother with it.

This person was obviously aware, or should have been, that I don't get political at my table, except in regarding specifics of my books, or if I'm asked a specific question. In which case, I remember I'm in public and exercise appropriate manners, as my "conservative" parents taught me growing up in the UK.

It doesn't matter to me if someone wears a diaper pin on their clothes, through their septum, or their ear. Through their eyeball would probably make me twitch, but if it's consensual, it's not my problem.

I made all the above as succinctly clear as that, and noted, "I do expect the same courtesy. I don't wish people to harass me at my table over some false perception of where I stand."

Well, I was told, "But you do have to allow that. These people are hurting. They've been hurt so badly. They're afraid."

Were I to reasonably point out that I've disliked pretty much every president and every politician of my lifetime, and that there's been contentious elections before, so anyone bleating like this is a worthless fucking pussy, I'd have no doubt been banned at once.

But notice the double standard. YOU can't bring politics into it (even though I never have), but THEY have every right to and I must sit there and take it.

This bizarre fear of Trump bothers me.  There have yet to be any death camps, and won't be, because he's not a Nazi or a Democrat, who ran the only concentration camps in US history.

SCOTUS has supported most of Trump's actions, though I hope to god they strike down a couple of his well-intentioned but insanely dangerous gaffes.  Especially as the next president will probably be a "liberal" Nazi and will be all in on exploiting them.

Now, I don't actually talk about politics on convention panels, unless they are relevant to a specific universe or presentation. And then, I'm smart enough to realize CONTEXT matters.  Monarchy can be desirable vs anarchy.  Slavery can be preferable to starvation. (I don't endorse slavery or monarchy. I'm referencing them IN CONTEXT to certain stories.  I shouldn't have to repeat myself, but then, modern American liberals aren't really capable of grasping "what if?" Everything can only be taken as a statement of belief in reference to RIGHT NOW.)

In fact, I've had some very enjoyable panels about SF world building and political structure with my friend Eric Flint, an actual Communist. I find actual Communists to be far more rational, reasonable, and NICE than modern American liberals.

The person seemed reassured over their bizarre concern that I would for some reason do something I've never done before.

NOW FOR THE PUNCHLINE:

A: They had one restroom marked "Gender neutral," and pretty much no one I saw fit any criteria that would necessitate them needing it.  I used it when I was in that area of the hotel because, you know, it's a bathroom, and biological entities need one now and then.

2) The so-claimed "Safe space" was actually designated a QUIET ROOM with couches, and requests to not talk to anyone present. Now, since I have a wife and a good friend who suffer crippling migraines several times a week, a QUIET ROOM actually seems like a really good idea to me. I'd encourage conventions to have one if they have space. And nix the fluorescent lights.

c} No one wore any diaper pins.

IV. No one brought up the election for any reason.  It wasn't relevant, and like me, most people wanted to avoid the issue.

So, these two "Social Justice" wankers attempted to create an issue where none existed, failed miserably, and have apparently held a grudge about it since (based on their sidewise glances and comments at other conventions).  They WANTED a political convention, and DIDN'T GET IT.

In a surprise to no one with a brain, this convention started sliding when that crowd took over, and disbanded this year. I expect another event they run will end this year, too.

"Get woke," go broke.  No one attends for your politics, not even the people who agree with you.  They show up to have fun and get away from busybody assholes.

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I and several other writers have recently been harassed by professional victims and virtue signalers.

It starts with some concern troll post to some forum or convention or otherwise by someone who very frequently fits the demographic of socially awkward, marginally employed, perpetually aspiring as an artist with no success and borderline homeless. 

You know exactly what they're going to say:

"I wouldn't feel safe at a convention with this person as a guest."

Now, at the risk of offending this person's feelings, they're arrogating a lot of significance to themselves. The statement assumes that I either know this person or will seek them out, and have time allotted for the purpose of interacting with them, any desire to do so, and such interaction must be negative.  All of which are utterly false assumptions. Which is why I take the risk of offending their feelings here, because it doesn't matter to me one way or the other how they feel.  Their statement alone makes it clear to me that interacting with such a person is of utterly no interest or consequence to me.  I can find much better people to interact with.

Or...are they well aware they're perfectly safe, and attempting to drive opposition into the shadows?

Well, no one ever accused Nazis of honesty.

They're failures at life, and are jealous because some of us are not.  They could forgive that if we were the type of fellow traveler who'd vote to give them a chunk of someone else's pie, but since our attitude is, "Get your own damned pie," we must be scourged.

Now, the recent fallout.

I'm not posting a link to the OP because I'm not in the business of giving free publicity to Nazis. And the person IS a Nazi.

Let's define how this person is a Nazi, because the Nazis are going to scream, and continue to insist they're not actually Nazis, anyone they disagree with is the Nazi!

I have to do this because most of them actually don't know who the Nazis are. I had a recent conversation with a "liberal" friend and referenced the National Socialists and was asked, "What do National Socialists have to do with it?"

With Nazis?  Oh, sweetie, they have EVERYTHING to do with it.

Nazis support NATIONAL SOCIALIST policies including health care, increased governmental support for perceived victim classes, from the pockets of the perceived privileged classes ("Bankers." "Jews." "White Males." "The Rich." "Big Pharma.")  As an aside--when a "liberal" talks about "Bankers" and "The 1%" and "Zionists," he means "all Jews." Five minutes of conversation will prove it.

Nazis support this being implemented with a strong central authority, using violence "liberally."

Nazis support a scapegoat class. Everyone remembers the original Nazis hated Jews...but they also hated Gypsies, "antisocial women," trade unionists, Communists...

So, here is the relevant statement from the Nazi, who does endorse all kinds of social and economic central planning, and here's the scapegoat:

"If we make gun ownership illegal for PEOPLE LIKE YOU, and the government comes to take your guns, what will you do?"

If, hypothetically, we make a SUBCLASS OF PEOPLE WITH LESSER RIGHTS THAN THE REST, and COME TO STEAL THEIR PROPERTY WITH NO COMPENSATION, AT GUNPOINT, what will you do?

"You people."

What are you going to do when we pass a law to come after you people.

We people who are law abiding, but have a different philosophy.

Now, it doesn't matter if he meant gun owners, union members, Jews, Muslims, gays, bankers, anarchists, Jay Leno fans or Communists.

What are you going to do when we pass a law to come after you people with armed force?

He specifically wants laws against one group of people. No equal protection under law.  This "tolerant" "liberal" wants to create a new underclass, like the slaves, or "Indians not counted," or the Jews, or "dissidents against the state."

I told him exactly what that hypothetical would lead to.

Now, he stated a hypothetical.  I stated a hypothetical with the word "If."

"if."That's a very important. word. 

"IF you come on my property, I will have you removed you by force."

"IF you harass my children, I will seek legal protection."

"IF you come after THOSE PEOPLE, you will be met with violent resistance."

None of those are threats.

But, because I dared say that I would confront the Nazi the same way we confronted the previous Nazis--with violence, the Nazis insist I made a "Threat."  I dared offer hypothetical resistance to the utopia they crave, that will not tolerate my independent existence.

That, as any thinking person has deduced, makes them terrifyingly dangerous. That's the cop pounding you in the face shouting, "Stop assaulting me!"  That's the crazy ex calling at 3 AM and screaming, "Stop harassing me!" That's the stormtroopers knocking on your door and breaking your knees while screaming, "Stop wasting national resources with your dissident actions!"

And, as with the previous Nazis, they not only believe they're in the right, they believe any action they take is without criticism, and only "dissidents" and the like would dare speak against it.

Ask yourself: After they've come after people like you using armed force, what's to stop them coming after people like them once the precedent is established? Then people like those others.

He probably also believes the cops are violent, racist thugs who unfairly target black people. So he wants to give them more power to go after another group as well.  With sanction.

I was very clear, on purpose. IF that were to happen, the response should be the same as it should have been as soon as the Nazis arose in Germany. Scorched earth. Kill every fucking one of them, and yes, their families, because that is what they plan to do to you.

In the meantime, before they achieve their masturbation fantasy of having legal sanction to kill you, they're willing to doxx, swat and otherwise harm or kill "people like me." But they can't understand why I'd be "violent"? (HINT: I haven't actually been violent.)

Hmm.  I can't imagine why anyone would want a gun, can you?

Fortunately, at present it's still low key. How low key? How many of this Nazi's followers actually did anything I could see?

6.  Out of 50,000. (CORRECTION: It turns out the Nazi has a quarter million followers, most of whom identify as "liberal" and are totally tolerant as long as you agree with them. They're all in on using violence to control groups they don't like.  IOW: Nazis. That's a lot of organized hate in one forum.)

(This assumes most of them aren't trolling for laughs or aren't Chinese bots looking for clients, as is true with several other famous liberal fora.)

None of the six were capable of communicating a coherent thought.

Three of them made homophobic statements to me.

Seriously, if you want me to believe you actually support equality, attacking someone by accusing them of being gay--drawing a direct parallel between dislike and homosexuality--pretty much proves you're the fucking homophobe. Yet, "Tolerant" "liberals" do this all the time.  By which I conclude that most liberals are homophobes (like the Nazis).

One of them hilariously claimed that "Gun control has been so watered down it's not effective," as if it was ever effective, and as if it's watered down. He was unable to provide a cite to support this claim, and when I countered with the list of major national gun control laws that have been in existence longer than he's been alive, he claimed I was "cherry picking." I may post that conversation later. It was facepalmingly stupid.

One of them announced, "One star reviews are in order!" and went to Amazon to give 1 star reviews to four of my books.  She's never read the books. In fact, according to her Amazon reviews, she's never READ a book. She gave two word reviews such as "Author sucks," which aren't actually reviews, and of course, were done in bad faith (typical of liberals and Nazis, but I repeat myself). To be fair, her positive reviews were comments such as "so cute," so clearly, intellect is not her strong suit.

At least one of those reviews has already been removed under Amazon's TOS for being abusive.  The rest will follow.

One of them went to a forum for convention runners to try to get me banned from this "threat" that I made nowhere near a convention. Big surprise--the two concern trolls from the local convention were on there concern trolling.

Which is about what I expected from Nazis. Competence, reading comprehension, context. These are not things Nazis understand.

I am not afraid to call a Nazi a Nazi.  They're welcome to prove they're not. So far, they're right on 110% goosestepping.

Yes, I really did copy my lawyer and local police chief--who's been forewarned that some liberal Nazi piece of shit may try to doxx or SWAT me, as they have done to other law abiding people they disagree with.

Had I an in-person contact at FBI, I'd have contacted them, too. However, it's been several days and they've said nothing.  So, if they were called, they either ignored the issue (as they did the shooter in Florida, but liberals would rather blame the uninvolved NRA than the involved government, because Daddy is never wrong! But I digress), or, having people able to read for content, looked at it and said, "So, some internet asshole called out an internet Nazi. Fine."  Or, it was never reported because the Nazi just wanted attention he could wave like a red flag to his Nazi followers to froth them up.

And that's the fascinating part--not a single one of them I've seen said, "Specifying one group to single out legally is wrong."  But they all said, "Challenging such Nazism is VIOLENCE!" even though I've done nothing but type words.

These ARE the same people who riot, burn things, beat people with blunt instruments and murder them passive-aggressively via SWATting for holding different opinions.  But they claim WE're violent.

Once again, you will see that exact behavior by the Nazis in Germany.

This isn't the first "liberal" Nazi I've had a run in with.

They have stalked and harassed me. I have allowed them to post on my wall within certain limits, and anyone crossing that line--regardless of political leanings--is blocked. I couldn't even tell you their names. I have far better things to do than harass people I disagree with that vehemently.  If there's no reasonable discussion possible, go elsewhere. That is what mature adults do.

But, they've http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=369 stalked and gotten me banned for years old comments, harassed my child, in another case stalked my teen daughter, and are actively attempting to get me banned from conventions and other work because they don't like what I have to say.

But they feel perfectly justified in their low-level violence against me and others.

By the way, it's an ongoing amusement to hear someone insist, "I've never heard of you." Again, this arrogates to them a lot of relevance they don't have.  Them not having heard of me has zero impact.

This is often followed with, "But I've never read anything of yours and never will."

I'm perfectly cool with this. This type of person is incapable of comprehending my writing. I know this because if they attempt to, they leave reviews claiming I'm trying to write a "utopia," which I have never claimed and never attempted. Because they don't like it, it must be my utopia. This is 163% wrong.

Further, they are incapable of reading for content. They won't and don't read what I wrote. They read what they want me to have written so they can be offended by it and shriek in their echo chambers.

I do not write for modern American liberals because they're too shallow, bigoted and stupid to comprehend or appreciate the work, and authors who attempt to write for that crowd tend to be broke. I enjoy my expensive steak dinners, exotic gun collection, fine Scotches and spoiling my youngest daughter with toys. Therefore, I write for people who wish to be entertained and can comprehend a message without being beaten over the head with it. http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=422 Modern American liberals can't grasp a message even then.

But let me be perfectly clear:

IF the Nazis pass a law that enables them to come after PEOPLE LIKE ME, or THOSE PEOPLE, or PEOPLE LIKE YOU, with not even pretense that everyone is equal under the law, I will kill as many of them as I can.

Now we wait for the Nazis to show up in comments so we can recognize them.

ADDENDUM: A couple of the threads insist "Williamson says he wants to murder all liberals."

No. I have never said anything like that in seriousness.  I do jest about being elected World Dictator, which is obviously a joke. I suspect these idiots would take "A Modest Proposal" seriously, if they knew what it was or who Jonathan Swift was.

I said I would kill certain individuals if they acted in a certain way that violates the Constitution, in a violent fashion.  In other words, reactively and in self defense.

However, if these "liberals" believe ALL liberals would endorse laws treating one group as a lower class, and sanctioned violence against that group as a collective assumption...once again, we've found the fucking Nazis.

"If you want to play with guns, join the military or police."

First, this statement is ableist in the extreme.  Not everyone can meet the standards the police or military require. So if you're saying it, you are not the slightest bit "liberal." You are a bigot.

Second, you're also ignorant.  Police typically qualify with a sidearm once or twice a year.  The goal is for them NOT to be shooting people. Police are supposed to be filing incident reports, investigating crime, resolving conflicts.  The goal isn't to have them show up and shoot people. Since that's obviously where your brain went, once again, you are not "liberal." You are a fascist who wants a police state.

Third, most of the military similarly qualifies with weapons once a year, and sometimes less in the Navy and Air Force.  There just isn't that much close combat aboard ship or aircraft. Security and military police personnel, engineers and some support elements train more often, but certainly not with any even monthly schedule. Nor, for that matter, do Combat Arms branches fire more than a few times a year. With the exception of a handful of very elite units that you cannot possibly qualify for, "playing with guns" is not a thing in the military. Also, the purpose of the armed elements is to kill people in combat. If you are endorsing this you're not "liberal." You're imperialistic.

So that's three reasons we should maintain private weapons.  Because if you bigoted fascist imperialists get your way, we're going to need to stop you.

You're Offended? Go Fuck Yourself.
Mar 27, 201812:39AM

Category: Politics

TRIGGER WARNING: the below post contains frank discussion of liberalism and statism that survivors of leftist regimes may find troubling.

 

Some years back, there was a huge push to amend the Constitution to outlaw desecration of the flag.  It's an emotional issue for many.

My objection to such an amendment is the terrifying concept of using the Constitution to control people, not government.  The first such experiment was Prohibition, and we're still paying for that monumental fuckup, initiated, btw, by the progressives of the time to save "women and children." They never learn, because they are incapable of learning.

Several well-intentioned idiots whined that "before doing so, one should first get permission from a veteran who has fought for the flag and an immigrant who has sought refuge under it."  My response was, "Hi, I'm an immigrant and a veteran. If you want to be the kind of sad, pathetic pussy who burns a flag to annoy people, go right ahead. You have my consent and contempt." Apparently, that wasn't what these people wanted to hear.  They argued with me or ignored me.  None of them, though, doxxed me, attacked my email or Facebook, threatened to hack me, ruin my business, or otherwise. They were inferior, but civil.

My further response was that if they did pass such an amendment, or even a law, or even continued to push the matter, I'd be honor bound to find a unit's battle flag for sale, buy it, set it on fire, and piss out the flames, just to anger them and make them recognize that freedom of expression MUST NOT be stifled.

Conservatives seem to mostly have accepted this fact.

Liberals are incapable of accepting any fact.

First, we need to define the term "liberal." The modern American "liberal" is nothing like the classical liberal of the 19th Century, who gave us most of modern civilization, nor even the anti-statist liberals of the 60s, who were well-intentioned if a bit naive.

The modern American "liberal" is a statist cocksucker who cannot tolerate even the existence of dissent.  They claim to be "tolerant," but a quick discussion will lead to them admitting they don't have to tolerate those hatey haters who hate, which is anyone they disagree with, even if the facts conclusively support the other party.  They are a cancer on society and, as in several past societies, at some point they will have to be exterminated.

Strong words?  These are the people who will riot and shut down a campus to avoid even the presence of a gay man they disagree with.  It wouldn't be a problem if they simply refused to attend, and thereby maintained their ignorance (a valued liberal trait).  No, the very existence of a speaker who they've never actually heard, but have been told by their collective will say things they disagree with, is unacceptable.

This behavior is not "liberal."  It's just like when the USSR claimed to be a "Democratic republic."

Oh, right--liberals were fairly fucking masturbating over how "classy" the sister of Korean Dictator Lil Kim looked next to Vice President Mike Pence. This is a psycho bitch who sends gays, missionaries, dissenters and even liberals to be tortured to death. She's a fucking rock star to liberals.

Beyond that, they'll define anyone who dissents from their agenda as a Nazi, and of course, it's perfectly okay to try to kill "nazis" with blunt objects, firearms and other weapons, for the crime of being a "nazi," and "due process is racist."  There's simply no way to reason with such an entity.

I know some of you are going to say, "But liberals are faggots, so who cares what they think?"

Well, you're correct, liberals are faggots. And of course, we mean it in a non-sexual context, but there are virtually no liberals who are aware of the different definitions of faggot.

However, in another context, a whole bundle of liberals is also a faggot, and very hard to break. En masse, they make noise, harass employers and businesses, and do their best to ruin the lives of anyone who isn't a liberal faggot.

But, you must never give in to the faggotry.  There's no appeasement, no "compromise." If you appease them once, they'll just come back, emboldened, bleating for more.  There's no "Compromise" because they don't offer anything. They just want you to give them something, like some bum who pretends to be homeless and waiflike, but if you watch and see, he'll drive off in a reasonably average car at the end of the begging shift. (Seriously, most of them do. I have photos.)

The only response you should give to a liberal about anything is, "Fuck off, pussy."  Now, I'm in the blessed position of being able to do that without retaliation. People who have a boss to answer to often get fired just because the boss hopes the shouting will go away if he appeases the mob.  But, that just means the mob now dictates his hiring and firing choices. They'll keep coming back for more.  It's an orgy of self-righteous faggotry.

That's part of why liberals hate the self-employed. It's much harder for them to have any effect on me that I'd notice. Oh, sure, they can threaten to boycott my books, but that's based on three false threats--A) that liberals can read for content 2: that they'd comprehend my stuff if they read it, and c] that they have ever paid to read anything of mine in the first place. Threatening to continue not to pay me isn't a viable threat, and the more offensive I am to liberals, the better my sales are among normal people.

This, by the way, is the point where the liberals are emailing my publisher in outrage, demanding that they muzzle my "offensive" statements.  Fortunately, unlike many other authors, I'm published by man.  Well, actually Toni is female, and a minority single mother of a disabled child.  However, she espouses every virtue of manliness we wish our leaders and fellows had, and she'll simply tell them that my opinions are mine, don't reflect at all on a publisher that publishes stories for content, not politics, and publishes far left writers like Eric Flint and Elizabeth Moon as well.

Speaking of Eric Flint, he's one of the rare, real liberals, or in fact, actually a Communist.  However, he's astute enough to realize capitalism generates wealth, and pushes for that wealth to be shared.  He and I can have a reasonable discussion, and I have more in common with him than I do with any proclaimed modern day "liberal." I also highly recommend his books. See how that works? Rational adults can disagree, be friends, and support benefit to each other. Modern so-called "liberals" froth at the mouth at this concept. There can be no real compromise with liberals.  They're like some primitive pagan cult.  Either you accept every word as fact, or you must scourge yourself, beg forgiveness, and abase yourself so they deign to withdraw the charge of lesser outlawry and once again allow you entrance to the clique.

Which is why I'm here.  I will keep escalating my contempt of those tantrum-throwing little shits until they eventually grow out of it, go away, or die from lack of attention.  I have to wonder where an entire generation of parents were.  One of my kids took several years to break of the habit, and the three year old is learning now that tantrum = nothing. It will never, ever get you what you want.  Somehow, we have an entire generation of pussies who have never learned this.

If your circumstances don't permit (For example, a friend who is a newspaper editor), you may simply have to keep quiet about the matter. That's fine, and I hold nothing against you for discretion. But, you must never give a liberal what they want through manipulation, threat or tantrum. Once you do, they will only come back for more. Kipling warned us of Danegeld, and it's Danegeld through whining, not force, but the outcome is the same.

Right now, the liberals are pointing at this essay on screen, and virtue-signaling to each other in howls and catchphrases that I'm a racist, a Nazi, unclean, need to check my privilege, etc.  Now, these are ad hominem from pussies, so there' s no reason to address them.  But, it gives me a warm feeling to remind them how wrong they are at everything.  So, let's run down the list:

Racist:  Ah, the default shriek of the pussified-American.  Actually, all of my kids have some Native American blood, and my wife is more "of color" than the last president, regardless of her skin tone--Choctaw, Cherokee, black, Irish and German, and it wasn't long ago that "Irish" wasn't "white." She's reservation born, white-trash ranch raised, possessed of two STEM degrees, and earns a healthy salary working as a female in STEM, and can actually tell you all about the actual racism, sexism and everything else in society.  I didn't marry her either because she's a minority, or because she looks "white."  I married her because she's fucking awesome and I wanted dibs before someone else realized it.

Now, my ancestry is all "white," but to think that means no history of repression means you have to think that English and Scots, English and Irish, English and Welsh always get along, and that Scandis, Brits and Germans are all identical and never had issues. My Viking ancestors raped and pillaged the coast of Scotland where I'm from, then those English bastards came up and destroyed our language, culture, wealth, property and history.

Well, that was 150 years ago, and I got over it. And yes, there's still trouble now. My English mother and Scottish father got quite a bit of flak about marrying. Because while skin color matters in America, in parts of Europe (including the UK, but God help you if you call a Brit a European in a pub), it's not color, it's background or even surname. That whole Hatfield-McCoy thing you're fascinated with? That's pretty much the entire HISTORY of the British Isles, son.

And as I always like to say, I don't hate anyone based on their demographics. I find it much more satisfying to talk to them for two minutes and hate them as an individual.

Nazi: You know, that would greatly disappoint my maternal grandparents, who hosted Jewish children in the 1930s and 1940s, and helped crack Enigma, and flew in the Battle of Britain and Italian Campaign.  I would never do anything to disappoint Ernest Frederick Stephens and Dorothy Maidlow. It would also disappoint George Williamson and his brother Jock Williamson, who fought with the Gordon Highlanders.  I suspect Phyllis Jane Henderson wouldn't approve either.

Nor, being factual here, do I support any kind of socialism, national or otherwise. If I did, I'd have voted for Hillary Clinton. POINT: Liberal faggots don't even know what a "Nazi" is, other than "something that makes me cry."

Check my privilege: Oh, I do, and it's fucking awesome.  Nature blessed me with an outrageously high IQ, perfect vision and hearing, aristocratically handsome looks, good health and fitness, and a larger than average penis. I enjoy the company of amazing women of intellect, presence and appearance. I have good friends.  I have an upper class income and lifestyle now, though that was not true for most of my life.

However, that came from two sources: Genetics, and hard work.  The former I have no control over, and hating me for it IS racist.  Well, eugenicist. Some sort of -ist. I'm not sure the virtue-signalers even know how to categorize that one, because they're all concerned with how pathetic a piece of shit someone can be, rather than how awesome they can be. As to the hard work, I'm in a field where no one can see my skin color, and such a claim is based on the assumption that everyone is racist. What's at work here is confirmation bias. Almost all liberals are racist, so they assume by default that everyone is.  A recent example of this fact is all the bleating from liberals that "if we arm teachers, they'll snap and shoot black kids." What they mean by this is, "I'm an unstable racist and if I had a gun I'd shoot black people, so I assume everyone would."

So, no, I'm not racist or a Nazi. That would make me a liberal.

I think that's enough words wasted on liberals. so let's move on to a second example.

MUSLIMS.

There are a billion Muslims in the world, and it's true that the overwhelming majority are peaceful. Those poor people are stuck in the middle between the violent nutjobs and those fighting the violent nutjobs. Nor do they have an obligation to apologize for the nutjobs, anymore than gun owners should apologize for mass shooters, responsible drinkers for drunk drivers, or Canadians for Justin Bieber.

Liberals, though, do need to apologize for the acts of other liberals, because there is no such thing as an innocent liberal. They're pretty much all on board with Kim, Stalin and Hitler, and most come out and extol those behaviors. But I digress.

However, the violent nutjob arm of Islam are worse than liberals, because they're actually competent, and do kill innocent people over...disagreements of belief.  In other words, liberals would actually be terrorists if they weren't worthless pieces of shit. And we'll need to stomp them out of existence before they become a relevant threat.  But I digress again.

Now, there are two responses to violent Muslim nutjobs.  The first response is of course to be violent right back, but more effectively. This is a sound strategy, and it works.  It is also expensive, time consuming, and not 100% effective.

The other prong is persuasive, and it takes two approaches.

First, is for honest Muslims to keep preaching peace.  A noted imam in Bangladesh spoke just last week, at a very beautiful mosque, http://vitti.com.bd/project/masjid-ut-taqwa/#ad-image-847 about the proper meaning of Jihad.  He notes that the response to angry speech is persuasive, measured speech.  The response to ignorant speech is louder, informed speech.  Armed jihad can only be undertaken on a national scale, and only to ease the suffering of the oppressed. Individual armed jihad has no place in Islamic theology. Dissension, jihad of opinion, jihad of speech, jihad of personal improvement.... those are permitted, not armed jihad. This is a fine man of character, and I pre-emptively apologize to him and my Muslim friends that I must take the other arm of persuasion, and fight the violence with contempt. 

Whenever some nutjob commits an act of violence on behalf of Allah or The Prophet Muhammad (May piss be upon him), I double down with condescension, that Muhammad raped children, likely pigs, possibly men, and considered the drinking of medical piss to be healthy https://islamqa.info/en/83423.  Then I offer to meet them with their weapon of choice and one of my AR-15s, and we can see just how potent this "Allah" is. Although, if mere words from mere mortals can distress him so much, he's probably a faggot himself.

At this point, decent Muslims are rolling their eyes, and a couple of friends are pleading, "Mike, Mike, please don't be so disrespectful. You know we will never harm you and wish you only the best."

This is true. They do. But my message is not for them. It is for the violent nutjobs, to assure them their violence cannot silence speech, even ugly speech.

Unlike liberals, Muslims actually believe in something, so can be reasoned with. Most are very reasonable, some few will have to be reasoned with contemptuously or with violence.

The liberals, however, insist I'm a "Racist" for these statements.  They've never been able to explain which "race" a billion Muslims are, or which "race" the Catholics would be in contrast.  They double down that I have "racialized" Muslims, and that I'm somehow worse than the terrorists who blow kids up.

So, my current jihad is to continue to remind terrorist scum that they can't silence decent people--Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Pagan, areligious, or otherwise, with bombs. And to remind liberals that they're pathetic shit who can't silence the voices of decent people, aren't even effective terrorists, but that if they attempt to become so, we will have to kill them.

I really shouldn't have to smartsplain to people that the opinions 16 year olds hold about anything don't really matter.  That should be axiomatic. My three year old is very unhappy her shipping box house got cut up for packing material.  She has strong opinions about this.  Those opinions aren't relevant.  She'll get over it.

In fact, most opinions don't matter, and I can offer an historical example.

Right after WWII, the US Army conducted a scientific study of combat engagements--ours, allies, enemy, every firefight and battle they could get data on, all the casualty reports, everything.

The conclusion was that 90% of combat engagements were under 100 meters, and 98% were under 300 meters.  The recommendation came down for a lighter, more effective bullet that would accomplish this, saving resources and enabling more ammo load.

The officers of the Infantry Board refused to accept this fact. They'd been in combat.  And who are you going to trust? Some guy in a lab, or the man who had been in combat?

And the answer is: The guy in the lab, who has time to be objective, not the guy scrambling around in the weeds, who isn't actually sure if he hit anything and what happened after.

Eventually, science prevailed, and at this point, pretty much every military in the world has gone (and some already had) from a 7-8mm bullet to a 5-6mm bullet. Us, Europe, ANZAC, Russia, China, everyone.

The US adopted the M-16 variant of the AR-15 starting in 1963 (yes, the AR-15 is probably older than you), and is still using an evolved variant.  Meanwhile, there are troops who've never used anything else insisting "wood is stronger than plastic" (Wrong) and that "we need a 'full power cartridge' capable of killing a man at 2000 yards." By which they mean a .30 caliber cartridge, without any scale to explain why that is magically "full power."  Nor with any support to the claim that it was even possible to see an enemy at 2000 yards, much less get him to hold still long enough to be hit, using a rifle that was sight limited to a 460 yard range anyway.

Moving to gun control on that note, we see false statements such as "military style weapons" (Pretty much every weapon in existence is based on a military development) and "high capacity clips," by which they mean "It's a standard capacity magazine but I don't like it even though I know nothing about it." And even bizarre, completely fabricated terms like "The shoulder thing that goes up" and "automatic bump stock."

And back to the earlier point. Gun control's only philosophical argument is waving the bloody shirt. There are literally zero facts to support the claims, when any objective study is done. In fact, four of the most widely cited sources against gun control all started out in support, and changed their minds based on facts. (Wright, Rossi, Kleck, Lott)

So then the bleat is, "Who are you going to believe? Some researcher with an "Agenda"(Because obviously, there's zero agenda to taking weapons away from people), or the kids who were at the shooting?

Well, that's easy.  It doesn't matter what a Tide Pod eater thinks. Especially when the ones being genuflected before weren't even at the shooting, they were in a completely different building.  That's like saying. "I wasn't in combat, but I was on the base near where it happened and I talked to a bunch of shooters, so my opinion on what rifle to use is important!"

No, not really. Science matters.  Opinion from a glory seeker who wants CNN coverage is not.

Those two narcissistic twits from Florida, one of whom admitted to being part of a group who bullied the shooter mercilessly, are utterly irrelevant on the subject of firearms.

And only a complete idiot even bothers to acknowledge they exist, much less waste any time listening to them.

If this offends you, you're obviously a complete idiot.  

I want you, for just a moment, to forget guns exist.  I want you to look at a product as just a product. 

Let's say the head of the Food and Drug Administration* said, "Alcohol affects the brain exactly the same way as cocaine.  Therefore, we are declaring alcohol to be a narcotic.  Narcotics are illegal, therefore, all alcohol and all equipment to produce alcohol are contraband and must be destroyed immediately.  No compensation will be paid because narcotics are illegal."

Let's note: 

1) The definition is blatantly false.

2) The definition contradicts long standing legal definitions.

3) No legislative process exists. This is a fiat declaration by a bureaucrat.

4) Failure to compensate for a legal product taken for public use ("Safety") violates the 5th Amendment requiring fair compensation.

5) Most importantly, this opens the floodgates for ANY bureaucrat to declare ANYTHING illegal.

Remember those handful of conservatives who've said, "Declare Islam not a religion but a political movement and terror front"?

If a bureaucrat has the authority to state that AND ENFORCE IT, there is no Republic. Literally any cabinet head, or possibly lower, can declare outlawry, steal property, seize anything, without even the pretense that an existing law was broken. Law will be whatever they say it is, any day of the week. Any religion can be illegal or mandatory. Anything can be contraband or mandatory. The rule of law simply fails to exist. If this doesn't terrify you, I guess you can go now. Good luck. There's nothing I can do when they quite literally do come to put you in those camps you fear, which just became a solid reality.

~~~

Now, moving back to the relevance of this thought experiment. You're probably very gleeful over the AG's ban on "bump stocks."  

You were probably unaware of bumpfire/slidefire stocks until they were used in the Vegas shooting. In fact, though, they've been in existence since 2006, approved by BATFE as "not a firearm." This was reviewed in 2010 under the 0bama administration, and confirmed that they were "not a firearm." You probably like and supported 0bama, and he found no reason to try to restrict bumpfire stocks.

You've probably heard a lot of hysteria about them, and have no idea how one actually works, or, more accurately, how a person operates it, since it doesn't do anything by itself.

The definition Sessions is using is completely false and inaccurate. It's literally as inaccurate as saying "Alcohol is a narcotic." The definition given is that it "Harnesses the recoil energy of the weapon to function." Which is provably false. Put a firearm equipped with a bumpfire stock on a bench, pull the trigger, it will fire a single shot only. One. Then it will do nothing.

The second claim is that, just like a machine gun, it allows firing multiple rounds with a single function of the trigger.  This is also provably false.  Again: Place it on a bench, pull the trigger, it fires one shot.  The trigger must be released before it can shoot again.

This cannot possibly be defined as a "machine gun" that fires more than one shot per pull of the trigger.  Yet, that is what Sessions has done, via a false statement--a lie.

The manufacture of machine guns has been illegal since 1986. Real ones command a high price. The finding of the Firearm Technology Branch was not only that these devices were not machine guns, but that in fact, they are not even firearms.

Sessions has falsely declared it to be a machine gun, and therefore contraband ex post facto, with absolutely no compensation for the "contraband," in complete contradiction to the experts' findings.

ATFE estimates the device and related industry are worth $200 million, which is tiny in business terms. However, every owner, seller, maker has money invested that is being stolen from them. No due process.  No legislative process.

Look above again. This decision is precedent for ANY Cabinet head to declare anything...or anyone, illegal, and subject to theft or imprisonment with no process.

If you want to work on legislation that bans these devices, with an accurate description, and a justification, I will certainly fight it all the way to SCOTUS under the 2nd Amendment. That is why we have a legislature and courts.  But if you support bureaucratic fiat, you are signing your own eventual death warrant, and there's nothing I can do to help you. I wish I were being dramatic, but I am not.

* And consider this. It's now becoming illegal to treat yourself for diarrhea: 
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/891968 

We Only Want To Ban One Gun
Mar 11, 201812:55AM

Category: Politics

I heard that from a probably well-intentioned liberal woman today.

I'm sure she believes it.

The problem is, it's utterly untrue.

She probably means the AR-15, "popularly" used in a couple of high profile shootings, and falsely claimed for several others where the gun was "close enough" to an AR-15.

The AR-15 went on civilian sale in 1963. That's 55 years ago.  When did it suddenly become a problem?

The AR-15 is based on the AR-10. That came out in 1955.

There are literally hundreds of rifles (yes, that get used for hunting) derived from those designs.

The AK-47 predates both, to 1947.

The first semiauto rifle dates from 1885.

They all function in variations of the same mechanical process.

So you really can't ban "one."

~~~

Part 2:
In 1934, the National Firearm Act required certain weapons--machine guns, short barreled weapons, "silencers"(which aren't actually a weapon), and "destructive devices" to be registered, taxed insanely and accompanied by papers everywhere.

In 1986, the "Firearm Owners Protection Act" banned new machine guns.  Yes, you read that right.  That's like having a "Car Drivers Protection Act" that bans sports cars.

So, there are already banned guns.

Moving back, I'm particularly enamored of the Soviet SVT-38 rifle, from 80 years ago. Were your parents even alive then?

Now, if I lived in Canada, I could just buy one.  Yes, in Canada. With all its "reasonable gun control."  I could buy one.

In the US, I can only buy those that came into the country before a certain date. New importation is banned.

I can list hundreds of guns I can't get in the US that civilians in other countries can get.

~~~
So, even if you're being honest, you can't ban "one."  And the claim fails because hundreds of guns have already been banned.

And given that precedent, there is no reason for me to believe that if I just agree to letting you ban one more that somehow all our problems will be solved. In fact, every time something is banned, your side comes back and insists we have to ban yet something else to fix a "loophole."

We've "only banned one gun" a thousand times, and you and I seem to agree that it hasn't worked.

~~~
Now, let's do a comparison:

Let's say we banned ownership of Corvettes to "cut down on drunk driving deaths," because "no one needs a car that does three times the speed limit."

And then there was a drunk driving death with a Ferrari, so we ban those, too.

And then the Dodge Viper.

And then the Lamborghinis.

Meanwhile, up in Chicago, hundreds of people die in drunk driving accidents every day, but those are black people, and they get killed in Toyota Camrys, Chevy Impalas and old Ford Tauruses, which are "normal" cars.

Then tomorrow there's a high profile crash with a Lotus.

And you say, "We need to ban Lotuses to save lives.  It's only one car."

Would you really be surprised when I first stare at you, then tell you to grow up and learn something about the subject before you start opining?

It's not the cars.

It's not the guns.

~~~

Next I heard, "All we want is age limits and background checks. It's 'common sense.'"
Really?

Per Federal law, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun. That is an age limit. It's the same age limit as for marriage, legal contracting, military service, employment and several other things.

Outrageously, while 18 year olds can carry pistols in the military and in police service, they have to be 21 to buy their own. But, as outrageous and immoral as that is, it's an age limit.

When one does buy a gun from a dealer, even at a gun show, one must fill out a BATFE Form 4473. Then, a phone call is made to the FBI to verify if this person, at this address, with this Social Security Number, is eligible.

That's a background check.

Now, if you're admitting you don't think the age limits are doing anything, I agree with you.

And if you don't think the background checks are working, I agree with you.

But my solution isn't, "Keep trying the same thing but harder, until it works." That's like drinking until you're sober, or smashing your hand with a hammer until it stops hurting. When I see something isn't working, I STOP DOING IT.

And this is why we can't have a discussion on the subject.  You're so ignorant of the matter you're not even wrong.
~~~

Did you see any of the debate around the recent "cut up your AR-15" fad?

To summarize:  There is a specific, legal way to destroy an AR-15. There is a specific, legal way to destroy an AK-47.  In fact, every firearm out there has a specific, ATF-approved way of destroying it.  The people who just chopped them in the middle:

FIRST, did not actually render the weapon inoperable. And if you don't know enough about guns to do that, then I'm probably glad you got rid of yours, though possibly selling it to someone more competent would be a better choice.

SECOND, they committed a felony by chopping the barrels short, per the National Firearms Act of 1934.  "Intent" does not matter.  Creating the felonious weapon is a crime.  If you then make a few more cuts, or hand it to the police, you have not destroyed the weapon in the approved manner, and that is a SECOND felony.

Do you grasp that? The gun control laws we already have make it illegal to even destroy your own gun in the wrong way.

Does it sound like more laws will make things any better?
~~~
Please. Do some research. It will require going to "gun nut" sites and the ATF's website, to find sources that actually understand the subject. And even on the "gun nut" sites, there will be errors, because the law is THAT complicated, incoherent, contradictory, outdated, obscure and specific all at the same time that compliance is a minefield even for people who want to comply and learn about it.

The danger you face is that by learning about the subject, you may come to agree that most of these laws serve zero purpose and only make matters worse.

Either way, once you have an idea what laws are out there, we can have that "Discussion" you want, rather than you demanding we do things that are already the law, or have already failed, or both.

It's actually the best thing they can do for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. (Well, other than support the Constitution, but we all know liberals are incapable of that.)

By doing so they demonstrate:

That they don't know enough about firearms to render one inoperable.  They keep chopping the middle of the barrel, leaving the receiver, bolt assembly and fire control mechanism intact, so it still shoots bullets. And no, I'm not "Gunsplaining" (per some gamma cuck who apparently got into the Marines).  I'm EDUCATING you. Because if you have no fucking clue how a firearm works, then your opinion on the matter is on par with a "Car safety" activist who doesn't know the difference between an engine and a transaxle.

AND in the process, creating an illegal sawed off rifle.  Which shows that:

They aren't even aware of the National Firearm Act of 1934--one of the oldest federal firearm laws, and most important (per their arguments). And if you have no fucking clue what laws are already on the books, then you should learn that before you start publicly masturbating for more.

That they believe "intent" matters for the NFA. Now, I'd actually like to see them accomplish this--it would reduce the power of that complete Fascist regulation. But if they aren't aware they're actually making points for our side, they should continue doing so. Thanks, fucktards.

That the NFA is obviously irrelevant, because even you, gun hater, thought it was perfectly okay to violate it and are defensive about doing so. "I didn't MEAN to be a criminal!" Yeah, you know how many innocent people have been trapped with that crap? Who never harmed anyone?

That telling the police they're going to break the law makes it okay--sort of like if they started a meth lab, but informed the police first. It just proves that the NFA is a complete pile of shit. Did I already say that? Well, it should be said again.

And that they believe they're too unstable to be trusted with a gun. "This gun will never harm anyone!" Neither will any of mine.  In my case, it's because I'm stable. If you're afraid yours will hurt someone, it means you believe the operator--yourself--is the problem.  So at least you got that part right. I'm actually totally cool with a ban on liberals having access to dangerous weapons, like firearms and ballots.

And if ATF doesn't follow up, then they've helped weaken the NFA. Thanks. That's actually a good thing. Every video of someone violating the NFA and not getting punished is an affirmative defense down the road. Of course, sawing off, rather than milling or turning a short barrel, is usually a criminal trick. So you've helped all their legal defenses, but then, no one ever claimed you were smart.  I know, I'm "gunsplaining" again.

If the BATFEces do follow up, the chopper is going to jail. Also a good thing.

So yes, let's encourage more Democrats to chop up their weapons, making normal people safer, and nibbling away at their previous bullshit law, which is such bullshit they instinctively recognize it's pointless, but want to pass something else.

You know what they say about people who keep repeating the same actions, expecting different results?

They're insane, and therefore shouldn't have access to firearms.

PS: Oh, yeah, and every one they cut up will be replaced within minutes by the quiet professionals of our firearm industry.