Michael Z. Williamson Peter Reynolds
2 days ago
I'm a right wing libertarian and I want freedom of the press and freedom from a self-serving, dishonest press which is what we have now.
The clearest example of this is the Daily Mail's inverse relationship with the Editors' Code where its editorial policy and business plan is to publish "inaccurate, misleading and distorted" information.
I'm very disappointed that the Telegraph is competing with the Mail in a race to the bottom. Increasingly, the only difference between the two papers seems to be the size of the page.
Implement Leveson in full. The Fleet Street mafia needs to be broken up so that true journalism can flourish.
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"Right wing libertarian" is like a "militant pacifist."
So it shouldn't be surprise that you want state control of the media for "freedom." You're just a right winger.
All press has a bias inherently. People are human beings. It's up to the educated reader to determine which is accurate, and which suits their agenda.
Clearly. you fear that your position will suffer if you can't cram it down people's throats.
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Seth Breidbart Everybody is in favor of Freedom of the Press when they believe that the press would publish stuff they like if it could. They tend to oppose such freedom when they come to believe that the press would publish stuff they don't like.
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Ray Spitz I think the word you were looking for is "Authoritarian." The Press, having service its purpose, is now to be controlled so that no one else can use it at the Left did. It is called "Pulling up the Ladder."
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Seth Breidbart You can't have freedom of the press and freedom from a dishonest press; who gets to define "dishonest"?
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Mike Lorrey MiniTru, of course
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Phill Suchman I thought it was Snopes or Huffingtonpost that decided what was true & what is dishonest.
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John Hamill Our "Betters" want to control tge information we get, for our own good of course...
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Ray Spitz You can, however, have strong libel and slander laws that will punish outright lies.
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James Meval The US had strong libel and slander laws and they were used to attack the press for political reasons and did shut down many.
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Ray Spitz But nowadays, the MSM can outright lie without fear of punishment because you have prove "intent."
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Maya Bohnhoff The press seems to print all sorts of stuff, inflammatory, opinionated, downright scathing about just about everyone and everything. Where's the lack of freedom?
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Michael Z. Williamson Maya Bohnhoff this references proposed legislation in the UK.
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Tad Williams And Fox News had to go to court to say they weren't really a "news" organization but an "entertainment" org., so they wouldn't have to tell the truth. (You can look it up.)
I don't recall this ever happening to CBS or NBC news. Maybe I missed it.
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Michael Z. Williamson Tad Williams: Not quite. Again, the public commentary is incomplete on the actual event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre
Jane Akre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Michael Z. Williamson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC... and I guess you missed this about NBC, Tad Williams
The 60-minute program focused on General Motors' Rounded-Line Chevrolet C/K-Series pickup trucks allegedly exploding upon impact during accidents due to the poor design of fuel tanks. Dateline's footage showed a sample of a low-speed accident with the fuel tank exploding. In reality, Dateline NBC producers had rigged the truck’s fuel tank with remotely controlled model rocket engines to initiate the explosion. The program did not disclose the fact that the accident was staged. GM hired Failure Analysis Associates (FaAA, now Exponent) whose investigators studied the footage, and discovered that smoke actually came out of the fuel tank six frames before impact.
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Michael Z. Williamson http://www.nytimes.com/... or the NYT, Tad Williams
FALSIFICATION OF PRIZE ARTICLE PUTS A SPOTLIGHT ON HOW NEWSPAPERS CHECK
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Michael Z. Williamson http://www.theblaze.com/.../ NBC again, Tad Williams, and it's going to cost them dearly.
http://www.poynter.org/.../ and this
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/... or this "news" photo that was heavily photoshopped.
NBC News Apologizes for ‘Error’ in Editing of Trayvon Martin Story
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Michael Z. Williamson https://en.wikipedia.org/... Time Magazine, maybe? Tell me when my point is made.
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Jerry Chancellor Well, it took a while Tad, but I think you mean this one:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/.../1310807.html
(Please take note that this is the actual judgement rendered by the court, not an internet rumor.)
The District Court of Appeal in Florida ruled against a woman claiming whistle-blower protection because.... wait for it.... she wasn't a whistle blower under the law. Whether or not Fox News lied or didn't lie was not at issue. What WAS at issue was whether or not she was fired for threatening to go to the FCC over what she perceived as pressure to lie.
No court ever found that Fox News lied and Fox News never claimed they had the right to lie. They did say that she did not deserve remuneration under a whistle blower statute because what she was threatening to report would have been, if it were true, a violation of a policy, not of a law.
Isn't it amazing what a little research can turn up?
NEW WORLD COMMUNICATIONS OF TAMPA INC WTVT TV v. AKRE, No. 2D01-529., February 14, 2003 - FL...
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Findlaw provides NEW WORLD COMMUNICATIONS OF TAMPA INC WTVT TV v. AKRE, No. 2D01-529., February 14, 2003 - FL District Court of Appeal | FindLaw
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Michael Z. Williamson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy Oh, here's CBS. There were several things wrong here. First, it was obviously word processed TNR, not something done on a typewriter. Arguing that it COULD have been done on certain typewriters at that time neglects the fact that an ANG secretary would not have such a machine, which still wouldn't have had smart apostrophes back then.
This also doesn't take into account that the lingo in the alleged memos is Army (They were "found" by an Army officer) not USAF (having served in both, it jumped out at me. No USAF officer would phrase a memo that way).
And his claim that he found them "in a dumpster" during an alleged cover, when the Privacy Act of 1974 is plastered in every orderly room, next to the shredder, which is expected to be used, and tossing stuff in a dumpster would be a security violation.
Not counting the fact that important stuff is duplicated at state HQ and possibly National Archives.
Which leads up to the entire dishonesty that somehow Bush was a "draft dodger" while flying a fighter aircraft. Do not even go there, I did 12 years Air Guard in a leadership position, know some of the people mentioned in the documents, and will spank any challenger.
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Michael Z. Williamson IOW: Both dishonest AND poorly researched.
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Michael Z. Williamson Hmm...it seems the "liberal" expose sites have as much trouble with the facts as conservative ones. Who would have guessed?
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Michael Z. Williamson On the "Bush" thing, I read through all the FOIA docs in 5 minutes, and laughed. Since I have the context to know what I was reading, there was absolutely nothing the slightest bit questionable. Without context, any dozen quotes could sound suspicious...except I have all the same docs in _MY_ records.
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Joseph Capdepon II Maybe Tad or another "liberal" could answer this question.
What is up with the hatred of Fox News?
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Michael Z. Williamson So what I'm taking away from this is the irony that the leftist media activists accusing Fox of lying are...lying.
And they want the rules changed so they can make the judgment calls.
Doesn't that just fill you with confidence?
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Seth Breidbart I like it that everybody gets to decide what is true and what is dishonest, and everybody else gets to laugh at them. They all get the credibility they deserve (in the eyes of the person deciding how much credibility to accord them).
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Jerry Chancellor Seth, with regards to this particular question, Fox News, you can look at the link I posted and decide for yourself. It's the actual decision of the court.
Peter Reynolds: 2 days agoI'm a right wing libertarian and I want freedom of the press and freedom from a self-serving, dishonest press which is what we have now.
The clearest example of this is the Daily Mail's inverse relationship with the Editors' Code where its editorial policy and business plan is to publish "inaccurate, misleading and distorted" information.
I'm very disappointed that the Telegraph is competing with the Mail in a race to the bottom. Increasingly, the only difference between the two papers seems to be the size of the page.
Implement Leveson in full. The Fleet Street mafia needs to be broken up so that true journalism can flourish.
MichaelZWilliamson: "Right wing libertarian" is like a "militant pacifist."So it shouldn't be surprise that you want state control of the media for "freedom." You're just a right winger.All press has a bias inherently. People are human beings. It's up to the educated reader to determine which is accurate, and which suits their agenda.
Clearly. you fear that your position will suffer if you can't cram it down people's throats.5 hours ago · Like · 6
Seth Everybody is in favor of Freedom of the Press when they believe that the press would publish stuff they like if it could. They tend to oppose such freedom when they come to believe that the press would publish stuff they don't like.4 hours ago · Unlike · 3
Ray I think the word you were looking for is "Authoritarian." The Press, having service its purpose, is now to be controlled so that no one else can use it at the Left did. It is called "Pulling up the Ladder."4 hours ago · Like · 2
Seth Breidbart You can't have freedom of the press and freedom from a dishonest press; who gets to define "dishonest"?4 hours ago · Unlike · 5
Mike L MiniTru, of course4 hours ago · Unlike · 2
Phill I thought it was Snopes or Huffingtonpost that decided what was true & what is dishonest.4 hours ago via mobile · Like · 2
John Our "Betters" want to control tge information we get, for our own good of course...4 hours ago via mobile · Like &