When they provide live entertainment like this:


Okay, then.


The problems with your logic are legion, but let's start with:

Nationalizing them is unConstitutional.  If you don't care about that, then please just move to China and join the glorious people's revolution.

Most of those companies aren't just US-based. They can move operations overseas and just smile.  

Subsidizing it doesn't make it any cheaper.  It makes it more expensive, and passes some of the cost off on taxpayers.

Your pollyannaish grasp of "green" power systems would be amusing if it wasn't tragic.  Suffice it to say that, while they all have their place, they are not going to replace uranium, which most civilized nations have already figured out.

Are you on the upstroke or the downstroke when you say "right wing media"?  You seem to love the phrase.  You might consider that the average reader of the WSJ is better educated and financially better off than you. Rather than whining, you might learn something.

Might I suggest you start by improving your 3rd grade grammar?

And here:


Michael Z. Williamson Hmm...for people not motivated by money, liberals sure spend a lot of time obsessing about money.

You realize most troops identify as conservative or libertarian, right? Including me (26 years).

Nope, it bothers me not at all that a CEO made however much your cute graph says he made.

But you should totally tell the CEO of Facebookhttp://openpresswire.com/ celebrity/ facebook-ceo-is-youngest-se lf-made-billionaire-in-his tory/ you're boycotting his operation until he's "fair" with his money.


At only 23 years old, the founder of social networking website Facebook Mark Zuckerberg reign in as the youngest self-made billionaire in the world. Announced by Forbes magazines yearly billionaire list Mr. Zuckerberg shot up to #785 on the list. You can view his bio page at Forbes here.

I love this site. It's constant proof that Democrats are idiots and arguing with them is a waste of time.

So, this Saturday past was "Occupy Broad Ripple (With Guns)" here in Indy, in response to a series of crimes in the area. 


Please note this quote:

"It is legal as far as we're concerned for people to carry their guns if they have a valid permit," says IMPD Officer Catherine Cummings.

Got that?  It's constitutional, it's legal, it's a right in this state.

A lot of us wanted to be there, but weather and family stuff intervened for a lot of us.

Now, there's some debate that one of the organizers may post on a white supremacist forum.  I can't speak to this, because I don't know the man, and I do know my articles have been copied on a number of sites I don't approve of.  I will state, however, that lacking any criminal action on his part, he has a right, if he so chooses, to be a racist asshole.  Once this discussion started, the gentleman recused himself from the event organization.

I suspect WRTV6 heard about this possible connection, too, because they published this crap:


Okay, first, there is no "Broad Ripple Pub."  There's a "Broad Ripple Tavern," which is what I presume they refer to, and a "Broad Ripple Brew Pub."  Basic facts elude reporters, as always.  This is why they get paid less than SF writers, less than romance writers, even less than horror writers.  They can't even get their facts as solid as admitted writers of fiction.

Then there's this:

Serena Vela works at Za’s Pizza and said someone working the event handed her a flyer that featured an unnerving message.

"The flyer kind of hurt me a little bit, especially on the third page because it says a noose for Mexicans and African-Americans," Vela said.

Now, this is actually significant and interesting.

First, what does this flyer actually look like?  What does it actually say?  This is not presented as a quote, so is it a paraphrase?  What is the context?

Second, how does Ms Vela know it came from someone "Working the event"?  Did they identify themselves?  What is this person's name?  All kinds of people wander around Broad Ripple, doing all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons.  It's usually littered with flyers.  Did this person say, "Hi, I'm with Occupy Broad Ripple with Guns, my name is XXXXX, I speak in official capacity for them"?  Or did some clown walk up, say, "Yo, bitch," and hand over a sheet?  Several sheets in fact, since we're told it has at least 3 pages. 

Third, what motivation would this person have to provide a flyer to someone obviously not the target demographic, knowing it would cause trouble for the rest of us?  There's certainly nothing in any forum regarding the event where anyone suggests anything like this should or did take place, so if it was an "attempt at recruiting" it would be pretty lame.  "I'll recruit for my racist organization not by targeting emails and websites, but by walking around Broad Ripple handing flyers to minorities we plan to oppress."  Um...yeah.  Also, no one else has seen said flyer.  No one involved with the event was aware of this alleged brochure.  So either they're all lying to me (I guess I'm not cool enough to be in the conspiracy), or it doesn't actually exist in our group.


Mike Williamson to myrt_price

show details 1:55 AM (22 hours ago)

I assume the complainant furnished a copy of the alleged flyer.  Do you have a scan of it, please?


Price, Myrt This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. to me

show details 3:34 PM (8 hours ago)

I did see a copy of it and after I read it I threw it away.

Thanks for watching.



Mike Williamson to Myrt, show details 5:14 PM (7 hours ago)
It didn't occur to you that such a flyer was news? Or that some of us would like to track down the source, if any?

As it is we have a purely hearsay incident with no physical evidence.

Unless, of course, your intent was to smear all gun owners by association...



Price, Myrt This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. to me

show details 5:46 PM (6 hours ago)

Thanks for watching, I hope you have a great weekend.


Nope.  Like most reporters, Ms or Mr Price is utterly interested in actual facts, or in doing anything productive.  The Seagull school of writing.  Fly in, crap over everything, make a bunch of noise, take off.

No flyer exists to support this story.  Very convenient, eh?  Nor any description of the alleged perpetrator who, as obnoxious as he would have been, was reportedly nonviolent and acting in accordance with his First Amendment rights, and only enough to "kind of hurt me a little bit."  Not to actually cause any fear or intimidation, according to the quote.

Nor, per emails, does Price actually give enough of a shit to care.

So, near as I can tell, either

A:  Serena Vela or Myrt Price are lying, and this document never existed (or was fabricated by one of them), or, if it exists

2:  Myrt Price doesn’t give enough of a shit about racism to follow up on it, and opposes our civil rights, specifically to defend ourselves, which the police and courts agree we have and allow us to practice unhindered. This would mean that Myrt Price endorses helplessness in the face of criminal violence, which is to say, endorses criminal violence.  Not to mention racism.

It's possible someone won't like this post.  No problem.  Show me the supposed flyer, identify the person who allegedly passed it (the alleged individual in question is pretty distinctive), and I'll post the flyer here for all to see.  We have experts at identifying art styles and formats and can offer opinions on its source.

Otherwise it's all a bullshit smear.

You know, it's not that the press lies that pisses a lot of us off.  It's that they don't even make the attempt to lie competently.  This is why they're increasingly irrelevant.


So, I have a copy of the flyer, FROM ONE OF THE GROUP. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7-J-O7RHIg5NzU1NDZkMTMtMWU3OS00YjFmLTg0M2ItNWY5YTA4OTVkOWZm&hl=en_US The flyer is not ABOUT the group, it's about the racist twit, DISTANCING US FROM HIM.  In other words, by being moral and decent, we drew the attention of the press, who as usual, either got it idiotically wrong or lied.  The lesson here is, never deal with the press.  Even acknowledging the existence of a problem will come back to haunt you.

Notice the actual facts:  The group identified that one of the promoters was apparently a racist dick.  The group strongly suggested the alleged racist dick bow out of the event.  He did so.  Some random party may or may not have provided a copy of the document used by the local firearm community to distance ourselves, mutated it into a "recruiting flyer" we were allegedly handing out.  This information was furnished to the press long before the event.  Most chose to ignore it with good reason.  WRTV6 waited until after the fact to mention the flyer as an aside, with the implication that all participants are racist, much the same way all reporters are child molesters.

More here and note the datestamps.

UPDATE:  thread on INGO here (relevant page): http://ingunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/179336-tons_of_violence_in_broadripple_causes_an_occupy_with_guns_response-32.html  

Still no response from the "Reporter."

Once again, basic facts and honesty elude the press.


First, this is very clearly (to anyone who made it past 6th grade) a reference to Gen Anthony McAuliffe's laconic (oops, is that a Spartan reference?) response to German requests he surrender during the Battle of the Bulge, at Bastogne.  I hardly expect any member of the press to either know basic history, nor have the care or intellect to ask someone for clarification.  It's too much like work.  Fortunately, the meaning is obvious to most Americans of normal intellect, and several commenters helpfully explained it.

The reporter's response?  "So you think CAIR are Nazis."

As I said, expecting useful, accurate information out of the Special Olympics of Writing (newspaper and TV reporting) is asking too much.  So I snickered and moved on.

Here's a brief refresher for the members of the media:

The First Amendment confirms an innate human right to free expression that does not incite harm to others.  Had West said, "Kill all Muslims," he could be charged with a crime.  However, what he was saying was, in politer language, "Go fuck yourselves."  He has every right to say this, and mean it, just as they had every right to make their request.  Open, shut, done.  I'm not going to wade into the he-said-they-said of the merits of their request or his chosen platform.  They both have the right to express their positions.  I shouldn't be amazed that reporters don't understand this, because I've met so many who don't.

However, a friend of mine made this statement: "I do find it adorable when bigoted war-criminals compare themselves to famous generals."

(Which proves that Americans of normal intellect, regardless of party (He leans Dem), are aware of the reference.  I cannot state enough that reporters are by and large contemptible, lazy, and worthless, which is why most of them don't even earn enough to pay income tax.  Still, it keeps them from working at McDonald's, where they'd probably be unable to follow health code rules, and might set themselves and others on fire.)

Well, let’s look at that:

While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[11] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[12] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Lieutenant Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter employed by a private contractor said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw "became more dangerous and chaotic".[11]

At his hearing, West pointed out that there were no further ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.[6]

So, Article 15 is nonjudicial punishment that does not constitute a conviction, or even a charge.  Therefore, West is not a war criminal, and to call him such publicly WOULD violate the 1st Amendment, by being slander or libel.  I'd suggest not doing so in your blog.

Nor do I see anywhere where he "Compared himself" to a famous general.  He simply quoted a famous general, as has been done by others.

As to CAIR, there are positive Muslim groups.  I would be hesitant to call CAIR such, given that:

In 2008, the FBI discontinued its long-standing relationship with CAIR. Officials said the decision followed the conviction of the HLF directors for funneling millions of dollars to Hamas, revelations that Nihal Awad had participated in planning meetings with HLF, and CAIR's failure to provide details of its ties to Hamas.[59][60] During a 2008 retrial of the HLF case, FBI Special Agent Lara Burns labeled CAIR "a front group for Hamas."[61] In January 2009, the FBI's DC office instructed all field offices to cut ties with CAIR, as the ban extended into the Obama administration.[62]

Critics of CAIR, including six members of the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate,[59][86][87] have alleged ties between the CAIR founders and Hamas. The founders, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, had earlier been officers of the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), described by a former FBI analyst and US Treasury Department intelligence official as "intimately tied to the most senior Hamas leadership."[88] Both Ahmad and Awad participated in a meeting held in Philadelphia on October 3, 1993, that involved senior leaders of Hamas, the Holy Land Foundation (which was designated in 1995 by Executive Order, and later convicted in court, as an organization that had raised millions of dollars for Hamas) , and the IAP.[89][90][91] Based on electronic surveillance of the meeting, the FBI reported that "the participants went to great length and spent much effort hiding their association with the Islamic Resistance Movement [Hamas]."[92] Participants at the meeting discussed forming a "political organization and public relations" body, "whose Islamic hue is not very conspicuous."[93]

Critics also point to a July 1994 meeting identifying CAIR as one of the four U.S. organizations comprising the working organizations of the Palestine Committee of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization and supporter of Hamas.[94][95] At a 1994 meeting at Barry University, Awad said that he was "in support of the Hamas movement".[citation needed] CAIR has responded by noting that Hamas was only designated a terrorist organization in January 1995 and did not commit its first wave of suicide bombings until late 1994, after Awad made the comment.[96][97]

Daniel Pipes and investigative reporter Steven Emerson accuse CAIR of being a front for Hamas, having ties to terrorism, as well as "offering a platform to conspiratorial Israel-bashers."[citation needed] The Anti-Defamation League and Emerson have also accused CAIR of having a long record of propagating antisemitic propaganda.[98][99][100][101][102] Journalist Jake Tapper criticizes CAIR for refusing to condemn specifically Osama bin Laden and Islamic extremism, but rather making only vague and generic criticisms.[103][page needed]

Not provably criminal behavior, but would you really want them to stand up as character references at your trial?

As to bigotry, it is not a crime, which is fortunate for quite a few on the left (I DO NOT include my correspondent in this.  I believe his moral position is valid, and, if I had all the details of the exchanges between West and CAIR I might even agree, or I might not.  That's not what I'm looking at here).  I do meet quite an impressive number of "tolerant" "liberals" who can give me a lengthy list of things they don't tolerate, and why if I tolerate them I'm intolerant and they won't tolerate it.  Once again, there's no point in arguing with idiots.

You'll notice I'm admitting a bigotry toward idiots and reporters (Sorry for the redundancy).  Everyone has prejudices and acts on them to some degree or another.  When religion and politics step into play, the name calling starts.  That's part of the game, and a certain amount of it is actually human nature:  http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2007/0313technology_hammond.aspx (first article I came to.  This is a lengthy field of study).

Politics and positions aside, I think there's a very important issue here that still needs resolved:  If I were to wipe my ass with pages from the Bible and Koran, there are very few Christians who'd take overt action.  Many would be disgusted, some would pray for me, others simply turn away.  There are a substantial minority of Muslims who would threaten or attempt violence.

Those particular Muslims need to get over it.  This is the 21st Century, not the Dark Ages, and they need to accept that large numbers of us have no interest in or outright distaste for their god and prophet (may bees pee on him).  People DO have the right to burn the US Flag, crap on their holy book (or any other holy book), call them names and otherwise express positions that are valid, invalid, well-considered or off the cuff.

So regardless of what anyone thinks of West's statements, I believe they are necessary, and I endorse their presence, without comment on their content.

And for anyone who has a problem with that, go fuck yourself.

That's what free speech is.


And a typical comment:


Recently in a interview with Rosalind Peterson of California Skywatch she exposes as well as confirms a long debated subject or "Conspiracy Theroy" refered to as Chemtrails or ConTrails after extensive research she personally conducted in her own county in Cali it would appear that the Chemtrail theroy has validity and is fact. She goes on to state that our military is and has for sometime been releasing chemical agents in our skys and conducting Geo and Bio-engineering research in regards to weather manipulation as well as blocking sun light as a counter measure to Global warming. Chemicals such Barium, Aluminum Oxides, Lithium are a few she named, tests conducted in her county reviled abnormally high levels of these chemicals in the ground water as well as the public's drinking water ect she found that it had and is continuing to have a detrimental impact on the environment killing trees as well as wildlife and contaminating some of the publics food and water sources this in my mind is a viable possibility for the recent loss of the birds as well as fish in fact this is not a isolated incident this has happened in the past in other states as well as abroad what sets this aside from the others is the main stream media coverage it has received this time for whatever reason "Thank God" a quick Google search on the subject will show this. The frequency of incidents of this nature are overwhelming and shocking as well as extremely unsettling and the mainstream medias failure to report these incidents is disappointing and some what unsettling. Oh and I forgot to mention besides being a true American Patriot for having the courage to stand up and make efforts to expose this evil Rosalind Peterson WAS also a certified U.S.D.A. Farm Service Agency Crop Loss adjustor for the state of California. As a result of her findings she now heads up California Skywatch a watch dog group. God Bless You Rosalind Peterson and God Bless America............ less


This could be to the rising amount of WiFi networks. WiFi uses radio waves to transmit data... the same waves used in cell phones and walkie talkies. However do to the large amount of data needed to be transmitted WiFi radios can transmit at a higher frequency of 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz... Maybe this has an unknown effect on animals/nature

WIFI networks cause trauma?  ALRIghty, then.

I do not deny the possibility that "forces" unkown to mankind may be involved..whether that be aliens, early signs of what's to come in 2012...etc In this case though, i have the feeling the cause is man-made and it's kind of strange that it's happenong close to the BP spill area. I wish we didn't dump so many chemicals in the water in order to help the oil dissolve faster. Those may be some of the after effects. Now you wonder why the birds died? I'm sure at least some of you know that in the winter season many birds travel in groups\formations. Those groups usually consists of hundreds to thousands of birds of the same kind. When one flies...they all fly..when one stops to drink water...the others do too. There's a chance that they all drank from the same contaminated source..that same source which is killing the fish. The scientists need to focus on the water ASAP! l
No they need to focus on Southwestern Energy Corp and see why they haven't stopped hydraulic fracture drilling. It caused the temblor swarms in Guy AR and helped release CH4 gas that killed the birds and the fish. I think you are over thinking this. 2012? Who predicted that? Not the Mayans.